Talk:Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning

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(inserted for readability ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 18:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC))

BorgQueen, your edits came in while I was upgrading my contribution. Sorry about any confusion.

I have clarified the relationship to astology

--GwydionM 20:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Richard Hinckley Allen's Star Names, Their Lore and Meaning (Dover Publications, 1963) was a useful corrective to certain earlier efforts that went back to Bible maniacs such as Seis (DD, LLD!! – 1884) and Bullinger (DD!! – 1888), who were both in turn indebted to Frances Rolleston (1875), and who were all determined to discover in the Arabic names for the stars references to the Hebrew and/or Greek Bible and the alleged message of Christ.

Unfortunately the whole thing came a dreadful cropper when Rolleston confidently interpreted the names 'Sualocin' and 'Rotanev' (Alpha and Beta Delphini) in the 1814 Palermo catalogue as meaning 'swift (as the flow of water') and 'swiftly running (as water in the trough)' – both being references (of course!) to Jesus's alleged claim in John's revelation 'Behold, I am coming quickly'.

Alas, what she didn't know was that the then director of the Palermo observatory, Nicolo Cacciatore, had in fact named both stars after himself -- simply by reversing the Latin version of his name, Nicolaus Venator!!!

Oh dear! --PL 16:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

PS Mind you, that did't stop E Raymond Capt from bringing out his The Glory of the Stars in around 1977 (Artisan Sales/Topstone Books), regurgitating all the old 'biblical' theories! --PL 16:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


Tone/Content[edit]

This article presently reads like a book review (and a glowing one, at that), not a neutral discussion of the subject, and is thus also in violation of WP:SOAP. It also fails to assert notability in any fashion, or provide any sources beyond the book itself, leading me to suspect that it's mostly original research. Using this book as a reference on other pages is one thing, but there is no indication in this article that the book itself deserves a page. I hope people can build this up into something worthwhile; despite what my edit history shows, I'd rather see articles kept than deleted, and I'm personally very interested in this book. Lucky number 49 19:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

For notability, press "What links here". Many articles are dependent on this one. For the rest I agree: the book is criticised, and it is still sometimes used as an academical level source, but the text shouldn't read as a book review. It should treat the text neutrally, then add criticisms and usages as comments. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 18:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I downplayed the most obvious review statements, such as "author treats topic with scorn", and removing "not useful for". Everybody feel free to further improve! ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 19:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Editions list[edit]

I don't really understand why there's a long list of editions in this article,

  1. WP:PROMOTION, wikipedia is not a promotion site,
  2. WP:NOTDIR, wikipedia is not a directory of indiscriminate information, f.ex. "resource for conducting business",

The table takes too much place, is ugly and boring and irrelevant for an encyclopedia. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 08:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Editions[edit]

Year Title Published Publisher Binding Notes
1899 Star-Names and their Meanings New York G. E. Stechert HB (Cloth) original edition
1936 Star-Names and their Meanings New York / Leipzig / Paris G. E. Stechert & Co. HB (Cloth) sound copy of 1899 edition
1963 Star-Names: Their Lore and Meaning New York Dover Publication Inc. PB reprinted, widespread
1990 Star-Names: Their Lore and Meaning Gloucester Peter Smith Publisher Inc. HB  
2003 Star Names and Their Meanings New York Kessinger Publishing Co. PB reprinted of 1899 edition
2009 Star-names and their meanings General Books PB printed on demand
2009 Richard Hinckley Allen:
Star Names — Their Lore and Meaning
Internet Bill Thayer Web site Public Domain
2010.3 STAR NAMES AND THEIR MEANINGS Nabu Press PB printed on demand
2010.8 Star-names and Their Meanings The Lost Library PB printed on demand
Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 19:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Not sure that evey one of these needs to be on, but it is important to note the first two at least in the history and development of the book. I think that needs to be in the article somewhere/somehow. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

notability[edit]

This book is mentioned widely in just about any astronomy book which talks about proper names of stars in any depth, including Allen's shortcomings. You can also see folks re-using material Allen has brought up. Some of the mentions are of limited utility - I'll see what I can add, but it might be tricky. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)