Talk:Star Trek (film series)

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Films Section

Could someone insert a colored line between the last TNG film and the first "reboot" film from a few years ago? Just as there is a colored line between VI and Generations. 98.221.120.104 (talk) 16:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

What on earth is the point of having two charts?

One of these charts was ported from the now defunct List of Star Trek Films article, but as is there is absurd redundancy. Plot synopses from first should be merged into second and then the first done away with.--WickerGuy (talk) 15:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Synopses

The plot synopses were moved to here from the main Star Trek page, because it was thought they would be more appropriate to this page. Similar synopses do appear on the "Harry Potter (film series)" page, and the James Bond (film series)" page. I don't really see why they are omitted here.--WickerGuy (talk) 08:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Reviews

Adding Rotten Tomatoes scores for the films is foolish. Rotten Tomatoes wasn't around when the majority of the films were made, and thus is a useless barometer for true reception (especially as it is skewed towards newer critics and reviews.) Likewise, an average weight of the scores is intellectually dishonest. They aren't the same film with the same critics; you can't weigh the reception of one against the other in an objective, quantified fashion (even if these sites try to.) The article needs a proper, prose-based reception section, but in the meantime lets cut the garbage out. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Please sign your edits with a the four "~" symbols.. Also, please maintain civility, as calling any editor's good-faith edits garbage is needlessly inflamatory and confrontational. I disagree with your opinion. It was discussed over on the main Star Trek page and decided that while it didn't belong on the main page, it was certainly relevant to the StarTrek (film series) section. There is no reason not to include this (and other) review information as it does reflect public perception of the films in general. Rapier1 (talk) 20:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm calling the content garbage, and I believe I am perfectly justified in doing so. All save two (maybe three?) of those films were released before Rotten Tomatoes was a gleam in its creator's eye. Do I really need to go through and point out how heavily skewed and useless they are? They don't show public perception, and their critical reception is inaccurate and misleading. You can't explain how the films were received using them, so what is the point of their inclusion? (And as a side point, whoop-de-doo it was discussed on another, non-central talk page. Hardly a reason to do anything.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 20:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

David, this is a place for rational discussion of content, not taunts and rants. As an administrator, I would hope that you would take into consideration the fact that your greater authority here also brings with it a greeater responsibility to be civil with other editors. Calling content "garbage" is inflammatory, however you may feel about it. Simply stating your reason logically for not supporting its inclusion is far more effective and less likely to produce ill will. Also, the "whoop-de-doo" comment is completely out of line. If a topic has been discussed elsewhere and editors have come to a good-faith consensus then that information is germaine to a future debate. There is no need in a discussion to use denegrating rhetoric, and I would appreciate it if you would keep your comments more civil in the future. We all have bad days, but please don't let it affect your editing or comments. Rapier1 (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not having a bad day, I'm just not going to mince words. You have not brought up a single rebuttal to any point I have made; instead you complain as to my methods, which I find a complete waste of this space. Spare me your scolding, I'll not have any of it regardless. Have you any comments on content, which is what this was originally about? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 21:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with David about excluding Rotten Tomatoes. The films precede Rotten Tomatoes, so the aggregation is not live, unlike for films this decade. It is better to use other sources that can report the contemporary reception more accurately. For as recent as 1999, I excluded the Rotten Tomatoes score for Fight Club because critical reaction to the film was more divided than the score reflects. Erik (talk) 20:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe that Rotten Tomatoes ratings are important for this page. While it may not show the reception at the time it was released, it does show the reception the films have had against the test of time. A films reception can change over time and while the initial reception is important, I believe that the current reception is more important. If I am permitted to give an example, The Shining's initial reception was very negative. While it is important to mention it's negativity at release, it is more important to note it as a film that is now hailed as one of the best in it's genre. I believe it is the same with Star Trek films. Eoghan1234 (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Given that this edit-war has gone back and forth 5 times now by my count, shouldn't there be an official guidline in WP:FILM of some kind?--WickerGuy (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I actually meant WP:MOSFILM. Here is what is overtly stated (emphasis added by me)

These will be more reliable in retrospect; closer to the release, review aggregate websites such as Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic are citable for statistics pertaining to the ratio of positive to negative reviews. (Caution: reliable review statistics may not be available for older films. Appraise the sample size in conjunction with other reliable sources, using best judgment to determine consensus.)

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I would gather from this that with the Star Trek series, Rotten Tomatoes should only be used in conjunction with quotes from other reviews.--WickerGuy (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Star Trek (film series)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Star Trek (film series)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "boxofficemojo":

• From Star Trek (film): "Star Trek". Box Office Mojo. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek11.htm. Retrieved 2009-10-25. 
• From Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country: "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991)". Box Office Mojo. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek6.htm. Retrieved March 11, 2010. 
• From Maid in Manhattan: Maid in Manhattan @ BoxOfficeMojo.com

Reference named "cast":

• From 82nd Academy Awards: "Presenters". AMPAS. oscars.org. 2010. http://www.oscars.org/awards/academyawards/82/presenters.html. Retrieved April 9, 2010. 
• From Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan: Star Trek cast and crew.

Reference named "meyer":

• From James T. Kirk: Meyer, Nicholas (2002-08-06). Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, The Directors Edition: Audio commentary (DVD; Disc 1/2). Paramount Pictures. 
• From Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country: Meyer & Flinn.
• From Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan: Meyer.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Curse Of The Were.....ummm...Star Trek Films???

(Imagine Spock, raising one eyebrow. That's me, here.) The painstaking references just make this even sillier. How important is this information? Really? 92.234.48.114 (talk) 01:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

--- Uh, I don't edit wikipedia at all, but could I suggest that someone improves the Star Trek curse redirect to have it go to where it discusses the curse? This is just for speediness and not that necessary, but just an idea. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.226.137 (talk) 00:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

--- Elect that the curse section is removed from this article as whether or not this movie has or hasn't broken the curse is purely a personal bias. I think the fact of whether or not this movie broke the curse is totally subjective. I for one think that the movie wasn't as good as the others and others think so as well. I elect that this section of the Curse is removed as it is purely personal bias one way or the other. --Skippingrock (talk) 08:26, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

The painstaking references are there in order to satisfy Wikipedia's rules of satisfying WP:NOTABLE. Without them, it would have to go. I'm not sure it merits a section, but if it's been mentioned in various newspapers and in movies in which Trekkers are characters, then a brief mention seems OK. The article should not take its own position on the last movie.--WickerGuy (talk) 14:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's important enough to merit its own section (it is, after all, just half-believed ex post facto hokum), but it's worth mentioning for its sheer persistence. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 16:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely persistent in pop culture as a pop culture phenonemom. Actors in the Trek movies mention it in interviews!!--WickerGuy (talk) 23:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Why list the North American Gross instead of Worldwide Gross?

Shouldn't the worldwide gross be mentioned instead of just how well it did in North America? That's what they do in the main film articles. Dream Focus 05:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

At one point it was in the article, but I guess someone reverted me. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 16:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)