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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace:
  • add more references to the plot section
  • add more references to the article, clear citation needed tags
  • copyedit, especially introduction
  • re-nominate for Featured Article status!

References to use[edit]

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.
  • Grimes, Caleb; Winship, George (2006). "Episode I: The Phantom Menace". Star Wars Jesus: A spiritual commentary on the reality of the Force. WinePress Publishing. ISBN 1579218849. 

Mixed Reviews[edit]

I'm not sure if mixed is the right word, especially considering immediately after it says that they criticized everything except for the special effects, which is really inconsequential compared to things like story and characterization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.96.16 (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

They are mixed because of the scores given, not the things they said. A 63% on RT and a 52% on Metacritic are considered mixed.129.186.253.76 (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I have never seen a positive film response from any other professionell film critic than Roger Ebert (the very same man who praised Gigli and The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle). I have read so many reviews from critics (even from different countries outside the US, like England, France and Germany), and not ONE critic gave this movie a good or okay rating. How can this movie be called "mixed" if there are nearly no positive reactions? From what I can tell, the only positive reviews this movie received were from like hardcore fans. What comes next, do we have to talk about the cultural influence of Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2?--85.5.109.239 (talk) 00:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the "mixed rating" sounds like a joke to me. I have tried to find a good review of the movie online. I failed. Most were written by star wars fans, not professionell critics.--188.61.215.76 (talk) 15:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

While this is my favorite of the Prequels, I see a lot of bad reviews. So yeah, people may want to look into that. But honestly, not trying to say it was good or anything, but how can people look at this as the worst of the trilogy? When in reality, if you compare it to episodes 2 and 3, it's almost, if not as good as the original trilogy. Is it because of the huge disappointment it brought afterwards upon release? If so, then yes, it's the most disappointing, but in no way the worst. But we all agree it's the most disappointing. Episode 2 was worse by a million times, but we all knew it was going to be terrible, so there was nothing to be disappointed with. Episode 3 was bad to the point it made Phantom Menace look like Empire Strikes Back, but people call it the best because it's darker. But we knew it was going to be terrible, and people only like it because it was "Slightly" (very that word very loosely) better than we thought it would be. Episode 3 was the worst, it made even episode 2 look like a oscar winner, it was that bad. IMO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.171.42 (talk) 08:05, 24 July 2014

Maul: once and for all?[edit]

The Jedi, meanwhile, encounter Darth Maul once more and engage him in a two-on-one lightsaber duel. Qui-Gon is mortally wounded in the battle, but Obi-Wan manages to kill the Sith once and for all.

I'm given to understand that many Star Wars materials resurrect or otherwise bring back Maul in further stories. Should the latter sentence be adjusted somehow to reflect this? — pd_THOR | =/\= | 19:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

What other 'material' is this? I would suspect that if it is not considered 'canon', then it shouldn't be accommodated. But the sentence could be changed to something more neutral, as in: remove the 'once and for all'. That would indicate neither the death being final, nor any possible resurrection. DP76764 (Talk) 21:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Do the ETs exist in the DVD version? (129.96.114.160 (talk) 06:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC))

How should we get this arrticle back to FA[edit]

I really would like to help out here but where do we need more work on the article. Should I get another peer review here soon. I have looked at Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope which is fa already and it looks like this article a lot already. Any help is appreciated.--team6and7 (talk) 01:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article[edit]

A cleanup page has been created for WP:FILMS' spotlight articles. One element that is being checked in ensuring the quality of the articles is the non-free images. Currently, one or more non-free images being used in this article are under discussion to determine if they should be removed from the article for not complying with non-free and fair use requirements. Please comment at the corresponding section within the image cleanup listing. Before contributing the discussion, please first read WP:FILMNFI concerning non-free images. Ideally the discussions pertaining to the spotlight articles will be concluded by the end of June, so please comment soon to ensure there is clear consensus. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 05:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Huttese[edit]

This movie uses a great deal of the Huttese language. While a constructed language, Huttese is in many ways a real language. I feel that if Italian is listed as a language of the movie The Godfather, then Huttese should be listed as a language in this movie.71.203.125.157 (talk) 16:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

As I recall, the amount of Huttese in the movie is about on par with the amount of German in Saving Private Ryan, and that is not listed on the infobox on that page. Since nobody (at least that I know of) speaks Huttese regularly, it doesn't seem like it is a very helpful additional for readers. –CWenger (talk) 19:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo has made an error in calculating the 3D re-release amount of the film[edit]

It seems that Box Office Mojo has made an error in calculating the 3D re-release earnings of the film. The 3D version's data, shows the earnings as $100.5 million, but now if we subtract the original old amount ($924,317,558), from the new amount, the earnings show as $101.8 million. We are keeping the subtracted amount because, according to the "Box Office" section of this article, it is correct. To calculate the amount, we are using the system, and not determining it on our own. This is for people to be able to understand the error. Darkdefenderyuki (talk) 10:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Whatever discrepancy there may have been has now been rectified by Box Office Mojo and the original amount the film made along with the 3D release now tally correctly. 88.104.30.122 (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

more information should be added about changes in the blu-ray release[edit]

i dont have the details myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 22:28, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Critical reception upon initial release[edit]

I have added a "clarification needed" tag to the statement that it received initially mixed reviews. I think we should probably give the RT score for the film before 2012 as well, as it seems likely given the abysmal reputation the film received over the intervening 13 years that it may have got much more negative reviews from mainstream critics the second time it was released to theaters. I have no evidence of this -- I'm not a regular RT user, so I don't know if there's a way to check what a film's score used to be, but if I as a reader noticed this others probably will too. elvenscout742 (talk) 06:26, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I actually kind of like what Never Say Never Again has, with "contemporary" and "reflective" reviews giver separate sub-sections. Since the film is technically still "new" compared to that film, it's not quite the same case, but I imagine opinions have still soured toward this film over the years where initial reviews were more positive. elvenscout742 (talk) 07:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Elvenscout742 - with films such as this where reviewers' opinions change significantly over time, I feel the separate sections would be appropriate. Crashdown13 (talk) 08:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Star Wars: Balance of the Force[edit]

I just found a magazine article from August 1997 which says that as of press time, the rumored title for the then-upcoming movie was "Star Wars: Balance of the Force". I'm not sure where the best place to put this info into the article would be, so I'll leave it to this article's regular editors to add it in. Here's the citation, minus the "ref" code:

Allstetter, Rob (August 1997). "Short Takes". Wizard (72). p. 120.  --NukeofEarl (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Age?[edit]

Is Darth Maul given a specific age in Episode I? Just curious, because an earlier revision of the film's article called him 'young'. 24.4.166.127 (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

In the movie itself, no. Additional media gives the age of 21. igordebraga 16:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 20 February 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. I don't see overwhelming support for either the originally proposed form "Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace" or the alternative double colon "Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace" form. Regarding the new proposal introduced yesterday, @Kamek98: I think you should add that as a new RM if you wish to do so. This one needs to be closed to avoid confusion. Thanks. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)



– The common name is using Star Wars Episode X Subtitle form and further more but the movies are officially sold as Star Wars: Episode X – Subtitle. If this fails, at least adding the alternate way to spell the full title would be beneficial as it does not harm the article.--Relisted. Cúchullain t/c 14:44, 9 March 2015 (UTC) Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 19:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Update: Support new proposal below.

Hi Eric. I would hold these proposals off for now. This looks like a plan B if the originals don't have their proper titles restored. I think we should worry about getting the originals to their proper titles, and if that doesn't work, we should look at this as an alternate, even if temporary.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

That looks odd... although you make a good point. It looks a bit feeble compared to the dash. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 02:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, you know, dashes can always be redirected. For titles such as this, an endash should be used rather than a minus sign or an emdash. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 20:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, the most common is with the episode title. Ngram stats for "The Empire Strikes Back", and "Return of the Jedi" have been in great decline for over a decade but Star Wars Episode IV, V, and VI alone as titles have been increasing greatly for over a decade. I doubt with the prequels it is any different. And I agree there are alternate ways to write the title, but double colons look damn odd and weak compared to the : and en dash. Plus, the movie are sold under that format so it is the most accurate style for the name. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 20:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

New proposal[edit]

Then, make the opening lines for the pages something like this:

Current article name Moved to New article name Introduction paragraph(s)
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace Moved to The Phantom Menace Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, often referred to as simply The Phantom Menace or Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, is a 1999 American epic space opera film written and directed by George Lucas. It is the fourth film in the Star Wars saga to be released, the first of a three-part prequel to the original Star Wars trilogy, and the first film in the story chronology. The film was Lucas' first production as a film director after a 22-year hiatus following the original Star Wars film, and his fourth film overall.
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones Moved to Attack of the Clones Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, often referred to as simply Attack of the Clones or Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, is a 2002 American epic space opera film directed by George Lucas and written by Lucas and Jonathan Hales. It is the fifth film to be released in the Star Wars series and stars Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman, Christopher Lee, Ian McDiarmid, and Samuel L. Jackson. The film is set 10 years after the events of The Phantom Menace, when the galaxy is on the brink of civil war. Under the leadership of a renegade Jedi named Count Dooku, thousands of planetary systems threaten to secede from the Galactic Republic. When an assassination attempt is made on Senator Padmé Amidala, the former Queen of Naboo, Jedi apprentice Anakin Skywalker is assigned to protect her, while his mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi is assigned to investigate the assassination attempt. Soon, Anakin, Padmé, and Obi-Wan are drawn into the heart of the Separatist territories and the beginning of a new threat to the galaxy, the Clone Wars.
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Moved to Revenge of the Sith Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, often referred to as simply Revenge of the Sith or Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, is a 2005 American epic space opera film written and directed by George Lucas. It is the sixth film released in the Star Wars franchise and stars Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Hayden Christensen, Ian McDiarmid, Samuel L. Jackson, and Christopher Lee. The film is set three years after the onset of the Clone Wars and was produced by Lucasfilm and distributed by 20th Century Fox.
Star Wars (film) Moved to A New Hope Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, often referred to as simply A New Hope, Star Wars: A New Hope, or by its original release title of Star Wars, is a 1977 American epic space opera film written and directed by George Lucas. The first release in the Star Wars franchise, it stars Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter Cushing, and Alec Guinness. The plot focuses on the Rebel Alliance, led by Princess Leia (Fisher), and its attempt to destroy the Galactic Empire's space station, the Death Star. This conflict disrupts the isolated life of ambitious farmhand Luke Skywalker (Hamill) when he inadvertently acquires a pair of droids that possess stolen architectural plans for the Death Star. After the Empire begins a destructive search for the missing droids, Skywalker agrees to accompany Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi (Guinness) on a mission to return the Death Star plans to the Rebel Alliance and save the galaxy from the tyranny of the Galactic Empire.
The Empire Strikes Back Moved to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, often referred to as simply The Empire Strikes Back or Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, is a 1980 American epic space opera film directed by Irvin Kershner and produced by Gary Kurtz. Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan wrote the screenplay, with George Lucas writing the film's story and serving as executive producer. Of the Star Wars films, it was the second to be released and the fifth in terms of internal chronology.

The film is set 3 years after A New Hope. The Galactic Empire, under the leadership of the villainous Darth Vader and the Emperor Palpatine, is in pursuit of Luke Skywalker and the rest of the Rebel Alliance. While Vader chases a small band of Luke's friends—Han Solo, Princess Leia Organa, and others across the galaxy, Luke studies the Force under Jedi Master Yoda. When Vader captures Luke's friends, Luke must decide whether to complete his training and become a full Jedi Knight or to confront Vader and save his comrades.

Return of the Jedi Moved to Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, often referred to as simply Return of the Jedi or Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, is a 1983 American epic space opera film directed by Richard Marquand. The screenplay by Lawrence Kasdan and George Lucas was from a story by Lucas, who was also the executive producer. It is the third film released in the Star Wars franchise and the first film to use THX technology. The film is set one year after The Empire Strikes Back and was produced by Howard Kazanjian for Lucasfilm Ltd. The film stars Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Billy Dee Williams, Anthony Daniels, and David Prowse.

New proposal support[edit]

  1. Support The reason I came up with this idea is because we clearly have done this sort of thing with other pages such as The Avengers (2012 film) where the actual name, Marvel's The Avengers is followed by its other common name The Avengers. In this Star Wars case, people who believe the common name is not with the episode title are satisfied, and the people who believe the full title is the common name are satisfied because the articles introduce the topic by the official name (which again, people would argue is also the common name) and says the shorter "common" names in the same introduction sentence.

Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 22:23, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

New proposal oppose[edit]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.