Talk:Steamboats of Lake Okanagan

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note on title[edit]

Two issues; one is I chose "Steamboats" over "Vessels" in the title, even though one or two later-era vessels might not be steamboats; the reason for this is if "Vessels" is used, then modern-day tourist vessels might wind up being added promo-style; maybe they should if they're notable enough; the Fintry is still in operation as a tourist boat; but there are others for Ogopogo-watching and stuff.....also I decided to use the old-fashioned "Lake Okanagan" because of the historic flavour of the article; in-period people often said either it, or "OK Lake" also turns up. if later on Vessels of Okanagan Lake seems more suitable I'm fine with the name change. Sorry it's only a stub; wanted to get things rolling and found the neat and fairly thorough resource page as linked so decided to start it....Skookum1 (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

few more archival images[edit]

Not sure what the one view off Kelowna is, i.e. whether the Sicamous or Aberdeen or whatever; but

and

are available for use.Skookum1 (talk) 11:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found another of the SS Okanagan, will just link rather than thumbnail: File:SS Okanagan at wharf and lake frontage, Kelowna, British Columbia (HS85-10-21798).jpg - in part of a series on the Regatta, which would explain the crowds in the foreground, and gives an idea of where the steamers docked at Kelowna.Skookum1 (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

bibliography of Okanagan Historical Society reports[edit]

  1. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/6361 |article= |title=First annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society |date=10 Sep 1926 |page=}}
    First annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society. 10 Sep 1926.
  2. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/6406 |article= |title=Second annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society |date=9 Sep 1927 |page=}}
    Second annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society. 9 Sep 1927.
  3. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/6443 |article= |title=Third annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society |date=9 Sep 1929 |page=}}
    Third annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society. 9 Sep 1929.
  4. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/6486 |article= |title=Fourth annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society |date=9 Sep 1930 |page=}}
    Fourth annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society. 9 Sep 1930.
  5. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/6529 |article= |title=Fifth annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society |date=1931 |page=}}
    Fifth annual report of the Okanagan Historical and Natural History Society. 1931.
  6. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/6854 |article= |title=The sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1935 |page=}}
    The sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1935.
  7. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/6911 |article= |title=The seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1937 |page=}}
    The seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1937.
    reprint of 7: {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7252 |article= |title=Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society |volume=7 |date=1971 |orig-year=1937 |page=}}
    Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society. Vol. 7. 1971 [1937].
  8. reprint of 8: {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7252 |article= |title=Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society |volume=8 |date=1971 |orig-year=1939 |page=}}
    Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society. Vol. 8. 1971 [1939].
  9. reprint of 9: {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7252 |article= |title=Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society |volume=9 |date=1971 |orig-year=1941 |page=}}
    Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society. Vol. 9. 1971 [1941].
  10. reprint of 10: {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7252 |article= |title=Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1971 |orig-year=1943 |page=}}
    Reprint of report numbers 7, 8, 9, 10 of the Okanagan Historical Society. Vol. 10. 1971 [1943].
  11. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7373 |article= |title=The eleventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society |volume=10 |date=1945 |page=}}
    The eleventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1945.
  12. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7602 |article= |title=The twelfth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1948 |page=}}
    The twelfth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1948.
  13. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7807 |article= |title=The thirteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1949 |page=}}
    The thirteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1949.
  14. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/7984 |article= |title=The fourteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1950 |page=}}
    The fourteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1950.
  15. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/8213 |article= |title=The fifthteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1951 |page=}}
    The fifthteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1951.
  16. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/8366 |article= |title=The sixthteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1952 |page=}}
    The sixthteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1952.
  17. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/8523 |article= |title=The seventeenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1953 |page=}}
    The seventeenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1953.
  18. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/8708 |article= |title=The eighteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1954 |page=}}
    The eighteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1954.
  19. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/8875 |article= |title=The nineteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1955 |page=}}
    The nineteenth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1955.
  20. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/9072 |article= |title=The twentieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1956 |page=}}
    The twentieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1956.
  21. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/9217 |article= |title=The twenty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1957 |page=}}
    The twenty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1957.
  22. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/9402 |article= |title=The twenty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1958 |page=}}
    The twenty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1958.
  23. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/9571 |article= |title=The twenty-third report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1959 |page=}}
    The twenty-third report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1959.
  24. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/9752 |article= |title=The twenty-fourth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1960 |page=}}
    The twenty-fourth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1960.
  25. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/9945 |article= |title=The twenty-fifth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1961 |page=}}
    The twenty-fifth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1961.
  26. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/10128 |article= |title=The twenty-sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1962 |page=}}
    The twenty-sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1962.
  27. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/10313 |article= |title=The twenty-seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1963 |page=}}
    The twenty-seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1963.
  28. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/10528 |article= |title=The twenty-eighth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1964 |page=}}
    The twenty-eighth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1964.
  29. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/10741 |article= |title=The twenty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1965 |page=}}
    The twenty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1965.
  30. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/11030 |article= |title=The thirtieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1966 |page=}}
    The thirtieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1966.
  31. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/11231 |article= |title=The thirty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1967 |page=}}
    The thirty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1967.
  32. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/11452 |article= |title=The thirty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1968 |page=}}
    The thirty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1968.
  33. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/11653 |article= |title=Thirty-third annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1 Nov 1969 |page=}}
    Thirty-third annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1 Nov 1969.
  34. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/11868 |article= |title=Thirty-fourth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1 Nov 1970 |page=}}
    Thirty-fourth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1 Nov 1970.
  35. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/12073 |article= |title=Thirty-fifth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1 Nov 1971 |page=}}
    Thirty-fifth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1 Nov 1971.
  36. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/12286 |article= |title=Thirty-sixth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1 Nov 1972 |page=}}
    Thirty-sixth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1 Nov 1972.
  37. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/12471 |article= |title=Thirty-seventh annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1 Nov 1973 |page=}}
    Thirty-seventh annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1 Nov 1973.
  38. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/12604 |article= |title=Thirty-eighth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1 Nov 1974 |page=}}
    Thirty-eighth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1 Nov 1974.
  39. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/12837 |article= |title=Thirty-ninth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1975 |page=}}
    Thirty-ninth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1975.
  40. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/13042 |article= |title=Fourtieth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1976 |page=}}
    Fourtieth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1976.
  41. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/13273 |article= |title=Forty-first annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1977 |page=}}
    Forty-first annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1977.
  42. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/13486 |article= |title=Forty-second annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1978 |page=}}
    Forty-second annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1978.
  43. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/21930 |article= |title=Forty-third annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1979 |page=}}
    Forty-third annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1979.
  44. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/22155 |article= |title=Forty-fourth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1980 |page=}}
    Forty-fourth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1980.
  45. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/22372 |article= |title=Forty-fifth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1981 |page=}}
    Forty-fifth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1981.
  46. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/22585 |article= |title=Forty-sixth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1982 |page=}}
    Forty-sixth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1982.
  47. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/22800 |article= |title=Forty-seventh annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1983 |page=}}
    Forty-seventh annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1983.
  48. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/23013 |article= |title=Forty-eighth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1984 |page=}}
    Forty-eighth annual report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1984.
  49. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/23234 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Forty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1985 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Forty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1985.
  50. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/23447 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fiftieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1986 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fiftieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1986.
  51. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/23660 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1987 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1987.
  52. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/23873 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1988 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1988.
  53. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/24086 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-third report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1989 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-third report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1989.
  54. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/24299 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-fourth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1990 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-fourth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1990.
  55. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/24512 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-fifth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1991 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-fifth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1991.
  56. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/24725 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1992 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1992.
  57. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/24938 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1993 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1993.
  58. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/25151 |article= |title=Okanagan history. Fifty-eighth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1994 |page=}}
    Okanagan history. Fifty-eighth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1994.
  59. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/25372 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1995 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1995.
  60. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/25601 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Fifty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1996 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Fifty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1996.
  61. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/25830 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1997 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1997.
  62. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/26047 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1998 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-second report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1998.
  63. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/26276 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-third report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=1999 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-third report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 1999.
  64. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/26521 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-fourth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=2000 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-fourth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2000.
  65. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/26758 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-fifth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=2001 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-fifth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2001.
  66. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/27003 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=2002 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-sixth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2002.
  67. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/27248 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=2003 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-seventh report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2003.
  68. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/27493 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-eighth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=2004 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-eighth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2004.
  69. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/27738 |article= |title=Okanagan history: Sixty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=2005 |page=}}
    Okanagan history: Sixty-ninth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2005.
  70. {{cite book |last= |first= |url=http://digitalcollections.library.ubc.ca/cdm/compoundobject/collection/ohs/id/27983 |article= |title=Stories of Okanagan history: The seventieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society |date=2006 |page=}}
    Stories of Okanagan history: The seventieth report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2006.
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    Okanagan History: Seventy-first report of the Okanagan Historical Society. 2007.

Trappist the monk (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

a rowboat? really?[edit]

Leaving the question of WP:NOTABILITY aside, since when is a rowboat a steam boat. Surely, Colleen doesn't belong in §Vessels.

Trappist the monk (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]