Talk:Steve Biko

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Changes made to the subheadings[edit]

I have made a few changes for the subheadings under "references in the arts". I divided the contents into smaller categories and made separate subheadings for them. Here is the link to my sandbox, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lisax31/sandbox2 Please give me some feedback on the changes I made to the article and possibly some suggestions on improvements. Thanks! Lisax31 (talk) 04:03, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

false allegations[edit]

"The interrogation lasted twenty-two hours and included torture and beatings resulting in a coma." Sorry, but that's not what the testimony regarding the case says. In the amnesty hearing it says that the injuries were sustained resulting from a scuffle between policemen and Steve Biko. --41.151.112.35 (talk) 12:21, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

And that nonsense has been conclusively debunked by just about every historical source. Feel free to keep repeating it though, if it makes you feel better. It's a matter of record that the investigation refused to let anyone look at the circumstances or collect evidence. The old "suspect brought his head into the vicinity of the policeman's fist" shtick is older than coal. If you think people are still buying that line, then I've got a bridge for sale you might be interested in buying. Viriditas (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

What is NPOV[edit]

What is a NPOV, is it the same as censoring reality? I like to use the Jewish Holocaust as an example since it is highly popularized. Over one million Jewish children were killed in the Holocaust, as were approximately two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men.[5] A network of over 40,000 facilities in Germany and German-occupied territory were used to concentrate, hold, and kill Jews and other victims.[6] Now if I applied the argument of NPOV language I would re-write this sentence to sanitize the harsh reality. but that is not NPOV, it would be WP:CENSOR. --Inayity (talk) 20:48, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

As I said in my summary, the way South African government is referred to is far more negative than all other oppressive governments, even ones that are easilly worse. So it does seem POV to refer to it as "apartheid regime". The harsh reality does not need to be implied every time the Apartheid era South African government is mentioned. That is hardly the same as "sanitizing" the holocaust. Shall we refer Mao's China as the Murderous Regime everytime. That example is "morally" far closer to the Nazi Germany example. When you refer to Hitler's Germany on wikipedia you refer to it as Nazi Germany/Germany not genocidal/racist regime. If I don't mention the fact that Nazi Germany was genocidal everytime it is mentioned in text, am I censoring the Holocaust. Of course not. Obviously "censored" wording shouldn't be used(in the manner you said above) when you are describing apartheid it self. Regards.Stumink (talk) 21:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

No you do not need to mention it every second we refer to it. But your rationale of NPOV is incorrect. And you have confused NPOV. As for apartheid it lasted a while and still cast a long shadow. So we cannot compare b/c Holocaust and apartheid are different. And we do not need to compare for me to make the point. It was not used as a comparison. Nazi Germany, is comparable to Apartheid South Africa(that is critical to the sentence). It identifies the government doing the action. Just like Communist China, or Marxist Ethiopia. I do not see any edits that say "racist South Africa" so I am not sure why you are discussing that. My point is NPOV should not be used to censor readers from reality. We do not tone down things under the banner of NPOV. Murder of SA school children is stated as such, if that is what the sentence is about.--Inayity (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Well firstly I am saying that it is not "censoring" to not refer to it as "apartheid regime". That is what I was mainly referring to when referencing Nazi Germany. I wouldn't mind it being referred to as "Apartheid Government" or "Apartheid South Africa". That does not seem too POV. It's more the combination of apartheid and regime that seems far more negative than when reference to government of equivalent "horror". Regardless there is no need to reference apartheid on page about Biko since it is absolutely clear what the negative qualities of government are. Regards. Stumink (talk) 21:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

On the issue of regime words hold different meanings to different people. The word central to the Biko story is apartheid. Apartheid + Anything is fine. If we were talking about Great White Sharks and shark nets, then apartheid would not be fine--Inayity (talk) 21:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Well I guess "Apartheid government" should be fine. Regards. Stumink (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Medical controversy[edit]

The article fails to cover the controversy involving the South African medical community and their willing participation in Biko's death. Lots of sources on this subject and not a single one in this article. Viriditas (talk) 09:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed Edits[edit]

This seems to be the only way to edit this page if you haven't met Wikipedia's standards. The third footnote ("Stephen Bantu Biko". South African history on-line. September 2007. Retrieved 20 November 2007.) has an outdated URL. The correct URL is http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/stephen-bantu-biko

Yes check.svg Done Thanks for the suggestion
Unfortunately this page had to be protected due to repeated vandalism - but the requesting editor would only need to make 2 more edits before becoming Autoconfirmed, which is the "standard" required to edit this page - Arjayay (talk) 12:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

new entry for music[edit]

song: Steve Biko (track #12) artist: Beenie Man album: The Many Tales of Moses released: 1997

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a reggae/dancehall song about steve biko — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddverrone (talkcontribs) 06:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

The anti-apartheid musicians' group of the 1990s, Artists United Against Apartheid, made his name known, as well as Dr. Neil Aggett, in the music video for the song "Sun City, as part of a group protest against performing at the casino of the same name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.87.60.39 (talk) 02:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

A Tribe Called Quest[edit]

It seems like it would be nice to add the song "Steve Biko (Stir It Up)" by A Tribe Called Quest to the Music subheading of the Tribute section. ATCQ is a very well known group, and this song was off what was arguably their most influential album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainybooks (talkcontribs) 19:39, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Gabriel song[edit]

It should be noted that Peter Gabriel's song "Biko" was also used to promote the Cry Freedomfilm a number of years after its original release. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 06:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.discogs.com/Beenie-Man-Many-Moods-Of-Moses/master/177890