Talk:Steve Kean

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Stats table[edit]

There is no need whatsoever for a secondary managerial stats table which lists only Premier League matches - no other manager has it, and I feel it is being used to push an agenda to portray Kean as "Blackburn Rovers worst Premier League manager 'ever'" (direct quote, from User talk:RoverTheBendInSussex). A small disucssion over at WT:FOOTY appears to back this up. GiantSnowman 16:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Against consensus and without merit, I don't see why this table needs to be included and I can't think of any valid reasons why it should be included. Adam4267 (talk) 11:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Moved from WT:FOOTY[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Just a quickie regarding the stats table on Steve Kean. There is presently a note underneath the table stating that it includes Premier League games only. But should this be the case? I don't think I've seen any other tables in managers' articles that account for league games only. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 01:29, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree - as far as I can see, the norm is that the table should include all first-team matches and should tie up to a reliable source such as Soccerbase. As the Soccerbase stats don't show the league and cup matches separately, the table in the article must include a degree of Original Research. I have corrected the table in the article, and have invited User:RoverTheBendInSussex, who insists that cup games don't count, to contribute to this discussion. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:50, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Seconded, it should be all game he is manager for - after all, that is what Soccerbase, normally used as a source for manager games, includes. GiantSnowman 11:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
As I don't wish to get involved in a edit war, can someone else take a look at this article. There are now two stats tables; one of all matches and one of league only. User:RoverTheBendInSussex justifies the inclusion of the latter with the edit summary: "There is a need for the second table. It is very relivant(sic) to the current climate at Blackburn Rovers." so I guess he wants Kean out. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Table removed, I've also had a word with the editor in question. GiantSnowman 16:22, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
User refuses to listen & continues to revert, what should be our next move? GiantSnowman 16:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Theoretically it would be WP:ANEW if it continues. That said, Daemonic Kangaroo has merged the tables, which presumably means he supports keeping the content. Given the explicit agenda behind the PL-only stats, and the lack of a direct reference, I'd remove them again, but it's not so urgent that it can't be left for a few days to see if your talk page comment gets any replies. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't really support having two tables, but I didn't have the stomach for a fight with someone who made it quite clear that he was not going to listen to reason. Unfortunately, I've been in bed with (man)flu, so I'm not thinking very straight. I will go along with the consensus. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I favour one table with every match, not one table split in two, and certainly not two tables. I suggest we try & come up with consensus on the article talk page, so that we can then implement it.GiantSnowman 10:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hatnote needed[edit]

For the economics and finance professor, see Steve Keen.

86.40.207.132 (talk) 22:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 22:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)