Talk:Steve Lieber

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Call for citations[edit]

The call for citations that was recently added seems to be requesting citations for the bibliography. In the general case, separate refs are not needed for bibliographies, unless the work is uncredited; the references for, say, Conan the Usurper #1-3 would be Conan the Usurper #1-3, which bear Steve's credits. I will not be deleting the tag myself, due to WP:COI in regard to Steve (I have been his collaborator on a few occasions), but I suggest its removal. --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:12, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • In fairness, the tag atop the article is directly followed by an unreferenced lead section on his major credits, and lower down, an unreferenced section for Lieber's personal life. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Most of the lede doesn't need reference, as it's credits, which are self-referenced, and are reflecting later parts of the articles. His birthdate and that some are his best-known credits are about all that call for reference in there. --Nat Gertler (talk) 07:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Can the credits be proven? I don't like the fact that credits can't be referenced, otherwise, anyone could do that and take credit. There has be some kind of fact-checking. Or maybe just remove that entire section as I think that's more app for his personal website.Causeandedit (talk) 15:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The credits can be proven simply by checking the comic book in question - the same as with any reference to a print work. Additionally, you will find many or all of these credits listed at comics.org, various of them listed at Amazon and library listings of book collections of the work, and likely some of these are offered as downloadable comics. Is there some particular credit where you doubt its verifiability? --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
This article has over 70 works listed without any real references or sources. What if someone included the wrong info, or it was listed wrong. Has to be some kind of fact-checking. Is the wiki community just to simply trust everything listed without any source? If can't be verified, that section should be removed and put on his website. Causeandedit (talk) 16:23, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Every credit has a source - the source for the credit for Conan The Usurper 1 is Conan The Usurper 1, and so forth. If you're concerned that the info got entered incorrectly, simply check Conan the Usurper 1. It can be verified, if you choose to verify it. If someone included the wrong info, then the person who attempts to verify the info can correct it. --16:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
So what you are suggesting is that we go to the commic book store and look for all 70 of these comic books, purchase them (cause I highly doubt that a comic book store would want someone to go through all their stuff for a wiki fact-check) to verify that he is indeed involved as ALL the credits list? There has to be a different way for verification, just like music has that kind of stuff online. I don't see any reason for all this listed material, esp if it can't be proven. What that does is, it allows other people to do the same thing and completely misrepresent things and take advantage of it, and then tell people if they doubt it, or if it comes into question - and can answer, "go look in the comic book". That's not right, this info is more app for a personal website. Causeandedit (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I think the tags "refimprove", "wikify" and "prose" are the correct tags for this. Causeandedit (talk) 22:31, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
If you wish to verify any reference to a print source, then yes, the proper thing to do is to check the print source, however you get your hands on it. If you think that Wikipedia should not allow print source as references, this talk page is not the place to alter the policy, that would be a matter of policy and guideline pages. If you wish to check these credits online yourself, I've already pointed to you comics.org. And if you think that "wikify" is the right tag for this, then you don't know that tag, as this page is about as wikified as they come. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello Nat, I 110% think that Wiki should allow print sources of course, but to tell someone to go to a comic book isn't the right solution to prove it. I wasn't the one who put the "wikiy" tag on it. That was done by AnomieBOT or VQuakr and I think think they would clearly know. So what you are saying in your comment above ^ is that the person (or bot) who put the tag up, doesn't really know the tag. I would disagree with that one (and I'm sure they would too). I know there is some understandable bias with Steve being your friend and co-author, but someone else put it up, and YES I strongly agree that it's the right tag so it should remain until it's all fixed. I will gladly work on the page. Causeandedit (talk) 23:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
According to ComicBookDB, Steve is only credited in 6 issues here, which is a lot different than what is listed on the article page. Now I'm not saying he didn't, but with more research, there isn't a lot here. - http://comicbookdb.com/search.php?form_search=steve%20lieber&form_searchtype=FullSite Causeandedit (talk) 02:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
If you do not know how to use a tool, I suggest that you don't use it, or that you work to learn to use it rather than assuming you know how. If you want to check what ComicBookDB has on Lieber, you check their Steve Lieber page. And what I'm saying when I say that you don't really know the tag is that you don't really know the tag. Inventing statements for me doesn't really move things forward. --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I think what you are failing to realise is, that I didn't put the tags up on Steve's page. You do see that right? I don't think I've invented statements here at all.Causeandedit (talk) 03:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Need better photo or possibly cartoon sketches by SL[edit]

If anybody can help here, please write something, thanx.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Hawkman run[edit]

The text currently describes Lieber's Hawkman run as beginning with issue 0. While issue 0 is the lower-numbered issue that Lieber drew, it is not his first issue. Issue 0 was a numbering stunt, and it came out between issues 13 and 14; his first issue was #5, which can be verified at comics.org. I'm not editing this page due to WP:COI concerns, so someone else may wish to correct that. --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:48, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Thanx. Btw would you consider doing a drawing for your Wikipedia page?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Same surname as Stan Lee and Larry Lieber[edit]

It seems a bit ironic that Steve shares a surname with brothers Stan Lee and Larry Lieber, prominent figures in the comic book industry. Is anyone aware of a familial connection between them? -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 21:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)