Talk:Steven Gerrard

The Main Image Is Awful

surely someone can find a better picture for the page for steven gerrard? the current one looks really bad, the old one was a lot better, why did it get changed? Voucherman (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah i agree, it's the same image but closer up and more pixelated. Can we find a better one and maybe one more up to date?115.64.103.95 (talk) 00:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Why does it say the Guardian put him into the World XI (without citation needed) when it wasn't the Guardian but a fan poll on the Guardian's wesbite?

Hardly factual and not really worth publishing on here http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/series/the-greatest-xi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.62.128 (talk) 10:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Youth Career

Someone please change the year from 1989-1997. He joined Liverpool when he was 9, not 7.

Personal life

Why is this totally non-npov page locked? This loses all kind of credibility for your ;project;. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.32.195 (talk) 02:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

This is big news and is in the media all over the world.... So can some one add about his bar brawl on Merseyside on 29 Dec 2008 and that he atteneded the North Sefton Magistrates' Court on 23 Jan 2009. With ref to:- "GERRARD 'BRAWL'" Daily Star - 'England star Gerrard pleads not guilty on assault charge' Monsters and Critics.com - "Gerrard denies nightclub assault" Southport Reporter  ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.151.234 (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Have you even read the article? It's in there. --Ged UK (talk) 19:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The information him being a father-of-two can be found on the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7981008.stm Read section "Asked how he pleaded, the father-of-two, said: "Not guilty." All six other men entered the same plea." Also see http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/03/steven-gerrard-court-appearanc and http://www.southportreporter.com/388/ I would add, but the page is locked. Anappleadaykeepsthedocaway (talk) 19:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Its semi-protected, you can edit it. --GedUK  20:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Goal count

Games: 465 Goals: 165 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lloydfudlegh (talk • contribs) 20:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

And your point is? --Ged UK (talk) 20:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I think his point is that in "Senior Career' on the right hand column, it only counts about 70 goals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.98.61 (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and as the infobox says at the bottom, it's for league goals and appearances only. --GedUK  20:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, he has played 530 games and has scored 132 goals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.30.202 (talk) 09:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Final Goals

It mentions him securing the treble with Liverpool in 2001, but it doesn't mention he scored one of their goals in the UEFA Cup Final that season, something I feel definitely warrants a mention in someone's wiki page, whoever they are. This could also have some significance because I remember hearing something along the lines of him becoming the first Englishman to score in both the UEFA Cup and Champions League finals (obviously achieving the latter four years later) but I'm not 100% sure with that fact. Either way I reckon the UEFA Cup final goal needs a mention

Also, it doesn't mention him winning the 2003 League Cup Final with Liverpool in the main body of text, made all the more important because he scored in that final aswell against Manchester United. He has to be one of the few players to have scored in the UEFA Cup, Champions League, FA Cup (twice) and League Cup finals —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveww (talk • contribs) 13:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

true that :) luv gerrard :P x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.202.61 (talk) 21:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Playing Position

"He is usually selected in central midfield" should be changed as it is clearly false. For the majority of Liverpool's games in over the past two seasons he has been utilised as a forward, with Mascherano and Alonso the first choice midfield partnership. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.179.33 (talk) 15:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I would hesitiate to say he was a forward most of the time, I would still consider him generally to be a midfielder, albeit with Alonso and Mascherano as a pair behind him. He is often referred to on places like Sky Sports as a box-to-box midfielder, and I think this is probably the best description for him. I'd be interested to see how this discussion develops, however, because these things are usually a matter of opinion, and i don't doubt that there are a range of sources that back up either point of view. --GedUK  15:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I would say he's a midfielder, the Liverpool tactic used is a 4-2-3-1 with (first choices) Alonso and Mascherano as holding midfielders and Riera, Gerrard and Kuyt as left, centre and right midfielders... Sure, you could somewhat argue that he's a second striker, but if you really go through his whole career, most England matches etc I think it shows he's a central midfielder that's right now just has more freedom in the Liverpool tactic. chandler · 16:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd say that box-to-box midfielder sums it up well. Gerrard is often given free reign across the pitch so he gets involved with attack, midfield and defence. I'd say that "forward" would be an injustice to what he does as much as "defensive midfielder" would be, but he often performs task which could be defined as both these roles. I think his role is quite comparable to that of Frank Lampard. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 22:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Right, we need to come to a consensus on this, as the additions of second striker are becoming more frequent. What I think we may be in danger of doing is ORing our own preferred solution, whereas what we would be better doing is trying to do some sort of review of the more recent match reports and see how often he's referred to as a striker or midfielder etc. How does that sound? --GedUK  22:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Let's add second striker in the box (alongside box-to-box mf) per these sources discussing both England and Liverpool playing positions. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Fine with me. Let's let it run a few days longer and see if anyone objects/offers something different. --GedUK  16:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we can change a player position based on a few months of different tactics. I'll use two Liverpool examples; during the 2005–06 season, Djrbril Cissé was played primarily at right wing, however this was not his position as such(could argue this was as he wasn't particularly good there I suppose). But also Dirk Kuyt had the same thing happen to him and we can safely say this is now his position. My point really is how long must a player play in a position for it to be considered is main position? Should it be a full season? Must he have started the season as first choice in that position? Has Gerrard merely been shifted into a position it was hoped Keane would play in? Personally, however, I'd consider Gerrard to be an Attacking Midfielder, for now at least. Tommyart 23:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, as I pointed out, if sources are saying he is a second striker (rather than playing as a second striker) then is that enough? --GedUK  07:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

[1] "It's strange to be talking about Stevie as a striker, but that's what he has become and, for me, in that position behind the main forward there is no one better." Lando09 (talk) 09:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It has become December and we still see Gerrard playing as a second striker. He has been doing so for over two seasons nad manager Rafaen Benitez' talk about him as a striker. I wouldn't change it to "striker", but "midfielder/second striker" is the correct definition now, alongside being a compromize that can not be critisized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larsle (talk • contribs) 17:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, what can I say about Steven Gerrard he is magnificent. You can put this player in any position and he will perform. [shakz91-Sultan]

Steven Gerrard has played most of his career as a central midfield. It is inaccurate to say that. He's been mainly an attacking midfielder, or right winger. Those are the positions he has mostly player. From the season when Liverpool won the cup treble until the second season of Rafa's reign, he played predominantly on the right side of midfield barring the final season of Houllier's failed reign. After that he played between the midfield and lone striker. He's never been a regular for England in central midfield either. You could say "He has played most of his career as an attacking or right sided midfielder, and he has also played central midfield at time". That would be the most accurate description as he has 3 years as an attacking midfielder, 4 years as a right winger, and only 2 years as CM. One other thing, Gerard Houllier did not quit as manager of Liverpool. He was sacked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.24.225 (talk) 00:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Zidane praise

I think Zidane's comment regarding Gerrard should be included but I'm not sure where this should be done. "Is he the best in the world? He might not get the attention of Messi and [Cristiano] Ronaldo but yes, I think he might be."[2] Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

It did turn up yesterday at some point near the Man U result. I haven't been online today, so don't know if it's gone again. Perhaps, in the interests of improving the article we could have a criticism and praise section, though preferably with a better name than that! --GedUK  17:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

These types of things are generally discouraged nowadays. Personally, I think they tend to attract random editing and fail to clearly represent opinion on the subject. I'd be much in favour of working things into the article rather than splitting them out and I think this style would better suit the Gerrard article. I think the Zidane quote is good because it puts things in a real-world perspective and isn't hyperbolic. It wouldn't be half as useful if Zidane had said "Yes, Gerrard is amazing and the best in the world." I'll put it next to the Man United result as the quote and result fit together quite well. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 20:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. --GedUK  20:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Gerrard extends contract

Shouldn't it be mentioned that Steven Gerrard recently extended his contract with Liverpool till 2012/13 season? The source may be found here. I came across other links on reputed newspapers such as The Times and The Guardin but have been unabel to retrieve the BBC or the liverpoolfctv link that I saw sometime back

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1045100.html --Mayfair void (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Name

Isn't his middle name, Bartholemu--92.6.222.47 (talk) 12:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Im pretty sure it is George, I have searched around the web and just came up with George. Tsange ^►talk 14:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

NO, His middle name is defintely George —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdowen4848 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

This season goals

Goals opponents scored by his backpasses deserves a mention. He has skillfully mastered not less than 3 goals in such fashion.

Can you please update as he has 10 goals this season

7 in the league

u lot suck for research, he scored 12 goals this season, cos he started of the season with 120 goals, and now he has 132. Can u lot do maths 4 godssake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.30.202 (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Age at Hillsborough Disaster. This states SG was 9 years old. As he was born in May 1980, he would have been 8 in April 1989. Please correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdowen4848 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from ASVero, 12 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In right hand pane for career summary, add one to total goals as player for England, to 17

ASVero (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Done Favonian (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

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Images

Does anyone else feel that the bottom image on this article is unnecessary? And perhaps the top one in the article. Neither seem to add much to the article and just drown out the left hand side a bit. I'll remove them for now. -- Jack?! 19:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Removing WP:RECENTism

I'm removing the following paragraph from the "International career" section:

On the 11th August 2010, Gerrard scored twice against Hungary to secure England a morale-boosting 2-1 victory after their dismal performance at the 2010 FIFA World Cup. His first goal was a sublime 20-yard half volley which sailed into the top right hand corner and his second came 4 minutes later when he collected a pass from Ashley Young inside the penalty box, danced through the Hungarian defence then prodded the ball past the goalkeeper.

That's way too much detail, WP:RECENTism and some serious WP:PEACOCKery for an inconsequential match, especially when the rest of the section provides a brief overview of his international career. --Mosmof (talk) 03:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Copied from my user talk:

Hello mate,

There are three reasons why you shouldn't have deleted the section on Steven Gerrard I added yesterday:

1. It isn't my fault if there isn't enough detail about the rest of his international career and thats probably because people didn't used to use wikipedia so much in the past, but don't you think people will want to read about this? I think a player of Steven Gerrard's calibre deserves a little more description than he currently has.

2. You say that I use too much 'flowery' language but I'm just trying to to portray a vivid image of the goals in the mind of the viewer! If I'd just said '20-yard strike' instead of 'sublime 20-yard half-volley' it would not have had the same effect. The usage of words such as 'sublime' and 'danced' adds flavour to the text and I personally don't think it should be discouraged.

3. You call it an 'inconsequential match' but firstly the player in question captained the team, scored two brilliant goals, played in his favoured position under Capello for the first time and it was the first match England had played since the 2010 World Cup and therefore the 2-1 win was a much needed morale-booster and restored some fans faith in English football. How is this inconsequential? It was an important match for both the player and the team as a whole and I feel that it deserves a mention.

And one last proposition for you if you still don't see where I'm coming from: Would you mind not deleting it if I improved the rest of the 'International career' section to match the level of description in my segment? I could include more detail about his international tournaments and perhaps the other significant goals he has scored for England in the past.

Thanks for reading and please consider my words carefully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ducksyonthemoon (talk • contribs) 08:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

1. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate repository of information, and should provide a basic summary to help understand a subject. A detailed description of a player's performance in a let's-pay-off-the-Wembley-debt friendly does not fit the project's mission.
2. "Sublime" and "morale-boosting" and "danced" tell us very little, and are not verifiable.
3. That's your own, subjective commentary, not verifiable fact.

I think the international section is pretty okay, if not perfect - it gives a nice summary of Gerrard's career with England. I don't think it needs a full rewrite. Mosmof (talk) 16:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Baros680

{{editsemiprotected}} Please allow to edit Steven Gerrards height on the personal Info: It list's him here as 183cm tall (6ft) Steven Gerrard is Actually 188cm tall (6ft2) As confirmed in his autobiography (Steven Gerrard facts) and on his profile on goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en/people/england/1902/steven-gerrard)Baros680 (talk) 14:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Y Done Thanks, Stickee (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Memorable Goals

Perhaps Steven Gerrard's most memorable and well remembered goal came during the major Champions League clash against Greek outfit Olympiakos in the 2004/05 season. Liverpool had struggled during the group stage and needed a win on the chilly December night at Anfield. The game was entering the closing stages with the score at 2-1 to Liverpool, that is until, Jamie Carragher picked up the ball on the left, put in a cross for Neil Mellor who's deft header fell perfectly into the path of Gerrard. There was only one thought in his mind, hit it. The perfectly timed half volley flew past the helpless goalkeeper and this is when the famous phrase from Andy Gray came out. "Oooooh yaaa beauty, what a hit son, what a hit!" This goal secured Liverpool's progress from the group stage, they would then go on all the way to the final in Istanbul and win it against favourites for the competition AC Milan.

The 2006 FA Cup Final. Also known as 'The Gerrard Final' pitched favourites Liverpool against perhaps the surprise of the tournament, West Ham. Liverpool were odds on certain to win the Cup, however early on when Jamie Carragher put the ball into his own net, the game was turned on its head. Dean Ashton further extended the Hammers lead before French International Djibril Cisse halved the deficit so Liverpool went into the half time interval trailing 2-1. From then on the game changed. Liverpool came out a different team and when Gerrard brought the 2 teams level with a perfecting executed finish from inside the area, many thought Liverpool would push on from their. However when Paul Konchesky's lucky cross/shot beat Pepe Reina many thought it just wasn't going to be Liverpool's day. That is until that man, local lad, Steven Gerrard thundered in a thunderous 35 yard volley past the flailing Shaka Hislop, the game went into Extra Time. Not many chances were created in the extra 30 minutes so the match went to penalties which Liverpool duly won, helped in no small part to Spanish shot stopper Pepe Reina, saving penalties from Bobby Zamora and the all important one from Anton Ferdinand which won Liverpool the cup. To this day, that memorable day in Cardiff is known as 'The Gerrard Final'

2005 Champions League Final. Liverpool vs AC Milan. Istanbul. Many were expecting AC Milan to walk this Final and it wouldn't be the most thrilling. How wrong they could be. Things got off to a terrible start when Djimi Traore needlessly gave away a foul, the resulting free kick lead to Paolo Maldini's 57 second goal. Things got worse when Hernan Crespo scored 2 more goals before half time to leave it 3-0 after 45 minutes. Surely the second half was just about damage limitation and playing for pride? Not for Liverpool FC, they dreamt they could do it. That dream became reality when 6 minutes of madness turned the tie on its head. Steven Gerrard's headed goal gave Liverpool real belief. After Vladimir Smicer had reduced the deficit to 3-2, it was captain fantastic again, Gerrard who won the penalty after he was hacked down in the area by football bad boy Gennaro Gatusso. Xabi Alonso initially missed the penalty however scored the resulting rebound. The score was evenly set a 3-3 going into Extra Time and only a quick array of unbelievable tekkers from Polish keeper Jerzy Dudek minutes from the end ensured Liverpool were still in it for the penalties. Dudek was the hero again as he saved Andriy Shevchenko's penalty which confined AC Milan to their defeat and Liverpool were crowned Champions of Europe for the 5th time. Again thanks mainly to Gerrard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TLFC1001 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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Excessive praise -------

Before I start I am no opposing club fan. I was casually reading this article from a point of interest, and was genuinely taken aback at how exaggerated some of the article is. Even as far as the opening biogrophy...who has ever said that Steven Gerrard is one of the greatest English players of all time?

It's things like this that damage the integrity of wikipedia. Please could we try and avoid opinionated speculation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.23.87 (talk) 17:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Steven Gerrards early life

why hasnt anyone included steven gerrards early life growing up in the liverpool area of Huyton, its mentioned everywhere that he grew up in the suburb of Huyton, why hasent this been included before? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scouserrr (talk • contribs) 01:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 February 2012

Honours

Liverpool

   FA Cup: (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
   League Cup: (2): 2000–01, 2002–03    --> Runner up        2004–05 Football League Cup
   FA Community Shield: (2): 2001, 2006
   UEFA Champions League: (1): 2004–05     ---> Runner up 2006–07 UEFA Champions League
   UEFA Cup: (1): 2000–01
   UEFA Super Cup: (2): 2001, 2005

Af2647 (talk) 06:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It isn't clear that "runner-up" belongs in that list, or how to present it. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Is there a centralized discussion about that happening anywhere you can link us to? Achowat (talk) 15:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Not that I know of. I was hoping that some of the frequent editors here might weigh in. My own two cents would be that it makes a good parenthetical comment at the end of the each line, but I could see reasonable people saying it isn't an honour, so it shouldn't be included. Celestra (talk) 16:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

The argument on the other side is that (for Cups, at least) medals are given out to the runners-up. And, honestly, losing in the European Cup final is kind of a reasonable achievement, given that you've made it there. Runners up for the Charity Shield and UEFA Super Cup, however, should not be listed. Achowat (talk) 16:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)