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Dear Wikipedia editors, This is Steven Rose responding. I object very strongly to the suggestion in the text that I am or my view have been described as antisemitic. I strongly oppose all forms of racism including antisemitism which i have fought all my life. Furthermore even the reference cited in support of this offensive slur does not make the antisemitic claim. AntiZionist yes, antiSemitic no! I have tried on several occasions to correct this libel, and i must now urge yo to do so forthwith. You can contact me on

s.p.r.rose@open.ac.uk

I've removed the 'antisemitic' claim from the article and linked this page as a reference. The reference Steven refers to is here: Jewish Chronicle, "Wars of the Roses", Jan 31 2003 p.35; I've removed it as the article doesn't seem to be available on the website without a user login. --NZUlysses 13:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Is this a reliable reference? If this is really from Prof. Rose, he should send an e-mail to Wikipedia and get an OTRS ticket. Failing that, we shouldn't be citing it, per WP:BLP.--Poetlister 11:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Anti-semetic Both Steven Rose and his wife have been famously accused of Anti-semitism. Yet there is no mention of it here. is this Censorpedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.251.122.217 (talk) 17:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

are you kidding? Wikipedia has a section on antisemitism for every major figure throughout history. this entire site is pro-israel in every regard. the biggest example is giving New Antisemtism a legitimate page while called the Israeli apartheid an analogy. You're just a zionist or Jew. Thats the ONLY explanation because normal people don't need every single person throughout history to be denoted as antisemitic or not. loser —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.140.104.139 (talk) 09:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

"radical science movement"

The use of this term in quotes references Rose's own book. Does Rose use that term to describe his affiliation in that book, and thus the use of quote marks? Or is the reference to indicate that the book is an example of his being in the radical science movement? If the former, the quote should be clarified. If the latter, there should be another reference that identifies him as part of the movement. Perhaps there is something in "The radical science movement in the United States" by Jon Beckwith? --John Kim (talk) 01:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Obvious POV[edit]

Examples:

"Despite growing up in a Jewish family in London, England during World War II, Rose advocates boycotting academicians of the Jewish state of Israel, supposedly for moral reasons, a move that has engendered rage among many advocates of Western-style free expression."

I'm deleting this paragraph because the purpose is purely to propagandize the reasons for Rose's politics. This is ridiculous. You don't get to impose a standard reason for why someone believes such and such is the right thing to do. "Despite" = POV, as is "supposedly" --anon

Concur, it's pathetic. That's why I leave it like that, it's better than a POV template. --tickle me

Comments[edit]

I was asked to comment by Crusio & Tijfo098:

It needed some copyediting for clarity and conciseness, which I have begun. (I still need to do the political part) Also needs:

  1. some cites, as marked--please look for them.
  2. References to all major book reviews of his books, add them as ** under the books in the bibliography.
  3. list of his five or so most cited papers, from Web of Science, not Scopus, which does not reliably go back far enough. . Perhaps you could add that; if not available to you, I can do that part also.

As some specific points

  1. Not in our genes is repeated described as his book, but he is one of the 3 coauthors. To what extent does it represent his distinctive personal views, rather than the general views of the group.?
  2. I could not figure out how to bring in Gould--if they ever cowrote something, it would give a way.
  3. Hilary Rose's relationship needs to be described once only, not 3 X. I tried to do this by moving the Family section to the top, and calling in Biography. Some basic bio needs to be added also,:, full schooling record and all degrees, Parents names )& occupationsi sf relevant )
  4. The list of his books needs publisher data added, & also available translations.

Hope this helps. DGG ( talk ) 23:29, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

By all means, make whatever edits you see necessary. The current version still appears better to me than simply declaring him a "left-wing Professor" and mentioning just his views on Israel [1]. I added the stuff from the book because it's the only text from him that was easily available to me; otherwise the "ideology priority over truth" has no context. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I replaced the expression "Rose's book", which appeared twice, with the title of the book, even though that adds some repetition. I also moved the statement on the science-politics relation (quoted from the book) to the research section, although that seems mostly a political statement to me. YMMV. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The other stuff, I can't fix myself right now, mainly due to lack of knowledge of his other work and biographical details. Maybe later. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)