Talk:Street children in India

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Former good article nominee Street children in India was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
June 17, 2012 Good article nominee Not listed
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Review[edit]

This article is in great shape! It seems to fully cover the topic of street children in India, and has a neutral point of view. I have a few suggestions for the article. First of all, the lead section should be expanded so that it is an overview of the entire article. The lead section should also show the reader why this topic is important. Some information in the "Definition clarification" section discusses the importance, so just moving a few sentences would help. I was also confused about who "Lusk" is, who was mentioned in the "Definition clarification" section. Was he one of the pioneers in this topic, since he established some definitions early on? If so, perhaps some elaboration is needed. Providing the full name would also be nice. Besides that, the article looks decent! I would agree that this should be a separate page from the "Street Child" page, since it has information that would probably be too specific for that article. Also, this is not the only article about street children in a specific country. Khatchell (talk) 21:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you starting review? Else I'll start! You can leave me a message in my talk page! --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 15:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback Khatchell! The lead is fixed, as well as clarification of who Lusk is. KiaraDouds (talk) 04:56, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Review[edit]

I also agree that the article is pretty good. It was very informative and very clear as well. It would be interesting to know what effect the government programs has had on the number of street children. I know that there is a lot of extortion done by police enforcement but is there any information on the trends of the number of street children through the years? Like are there times where India has more prosperity and so there are fewer street children? And also are there any areas where governmental influence really has been effective at lowering the rates of street children. Additionally, you mention that many street children leave because they would actually not like to work and would like to be in school yet how is this posssible if they live on the streets? It almost seems contradictory so perhaps you could elaborate on any education opportunities that are available to them. Overall I think this is a great article. Mpyles91 (talk) 20:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you starting review? Else I'll start! You can leave me a message in my talk page! --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 15:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


Thank you so much for your feedback! I agree that it would be interesting to look at the effect of government programs; however, government programs have been very few and far in between. Additionally, there is very little research on India's street children. I conducted extensive research before writing the article, and I have included all the data that I found. Because it is so difficult to estimate how many street children are in India, as well as the fact that the new definition of street children is rather recent, no comparisons of their prevalence in different time periods have been done to my knowledge. I agree that the children leaving because they wanted education sounds confusing. I added an explanation that I hope clarifies it. From my understanding, the children want to be educated, but their family circumstances make it impossible. Thus, they leave out of frustration, not necessarily to be free to be educated. KiaraDouds (talk) 05:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review[edit]

First off, congratulations on being a good article nominee! I definitely have to second their decision given how perfectly you maintain a neutral point of view while still conveying very crucial information. With this said, you may want to be careful when asserting that street children are “the most vulnerable group of children in India…” Though this is very well true, you might want to state according to whom. Also, I am not sure if you might want to mention the extent of the issue in the lede, considering the section should be devoid of citations and it is detailed later on. Just a few small things - you may want to spell out NIUA, because it is a lesser-known institute, and in the Relationships and coping section there are a few instances of the period coming after the citation that should be swapped. You may also want to consider further subdividing the Relationships and coping section through the use of equal signs; creating subsections such as one highlighting the networks some children form may bring more attention to this facet. I love how you include three separate hypotheses for the causes behind the issue, your breakdown of the true standing definition, and justification of the gender composition. Finally, you might want to include pertinent universal legislation or efforts to eliminate this issue that have been successful in the past. Overall, you've done a phenomenal job! Avo92 (talk) 21:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the valuable input! I have addressed the issues you raised and know that because of the changes the article is now of higher quality. Regarding universal legislation, the only relevant act I found was the United Nations 1984 Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which I mentioned. This is a great work, but unless the government actively embraces it, it unfortunately does nothing to help the street children. KiaraDouds (talk) 05:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

Reviewer: Vaibhavgupta1989 (talk · contribs) 09:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

External Links[edit]

Hello! I was reviewing the lead section and I believe you need to work on providing the exact location in the external links where those citations are present. Take for example for the definition of street child in India:"for whom the street (in the widest sense of the word, including unoccupied dwellings, wasteland, etc.) has become his or her habitual abode and/or source of livelihood; and who is inadequately protected, supervised, or directed by responsible adults”. But I could not find the definition in the external link mentioned for the same.Same applies to other links as well. I will get back to you in a week. Thanks. Vaibhavgupta1989 (talk) 09:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

Hi, the article needs to work upon on the following points:

1) In the section mentioned above, I have queried about the exact location of the definition of the street child in the external link. However, it hasn't been worked upon. It violates the Factually accurate and verifiable property of the good article criteria.

2) The lead section of the article is inadequate and needs expansion. It violates the manual of styles for the lead section of the well written criteria of a good article.

3) Please act upon the link no 1 in the references section. The external link is the home page of a website. However, specific locations or pointers are needed to verify the claims.

The article was put on hold for more than a week, awaiting user inputs. But, no comments were received. I believe these should be worked upon before re-nominating the article for GA. The article is close to the GA.

Status: Fail


  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    Quality of article is good.
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
    MoS non-compliant section: Lead section
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    This section is good.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    Lacks pointers to the exact location of references in the external links. Citations, in such a case, are highly debatable.
    C. No original research:
    Unavailable pointers to the references makes it appear as an original research.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    All major aspects of the topic are covered.
    B. Focused:
    Article remains focused on the topic throughout.
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    No bias found.
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
    Article is stable.
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    No problem with images
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    Appropriate Images provided
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail: Fail 25 June 2012