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Notable Performers[edit]

I feel this section may need work. Many mentioned simply do not fall into the category of notable performers. For example, Paul McCartney, Sting, Joshua Bell, Tom Jones, Hayley Westenra and the likes are not notable as street performers. All notable in their field, but no more notable as street performers due to busking "once" as a stunt or for charity than they would be notable as chess players or footballers should the partake in either of those activites. On the other hand, genuinely notable street performers such as Richard "Jim Cellini" Sullivan (a hugely influential magic busking act) see no mention in the list. I propose removing *all* entries in this section who have not achieved notability as a street performer (I fear that would leave a very short list, but certainly one which can be better described as "notable". I invite discussion here before I make the edits. Jack of Many (talk) 18:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

This article tends to attract un-notable performers looking for publicity, recognition, or sales for their books and music; I've had to delete a lot of linkspam. If you can establish notability for Sullivan et al, then go ahead, but noncommercial and reliable sources are going to be key.
As for famous one-time buskers: generally not notable. Those like Joshua Bell (due to the massive publicity) and those who actually made a living or recorded albums as buskers should stay.
I look forward to working with you! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the cordial greeting, Pi (I trust you don't object to shortening of your handle). I can see how a lot of linkspam would find its way onto the article. Commercial issues shouldn't be an issue for Cellini as he passed away in 2009. There are living street performers who I believe are notable enough for a mention in this article, one being Gazzo (who has his own Wiki entry, as it happens). I'll hold off making any additions until I have reliable sources ready to back them up. Jack of Many (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
On the topic of reliable sources, I'll have a look in the usual places, but street performance being what it is the ones most likely to find their way into newspapers and the like are, I suspect, those who are notable for other things doing something for charity or as a stunt (more on that in my next point). Considering the mainstream press doesn't pay a great deal of attention to street performance, what sort of sources/publications/sites might be seen as reliable in this case?Jack of Many (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm not entirely convinced that Joshua Bell's press stunt qualifies him as a notable street performance. Don't get me wrong, I've read the article and couldn't put it down; I'm just not sure publicity about someone doing something once qualifies him as a notable street performer. I know notability for an article is a different matter, but it strikes me as somewhat related to the guideline in BLP for people notworthy for a single event. As an insight into culture, work-life balance and so on it's fascinating story, but in the context of street performance, I don't know if Bell truly is noteworthy. Perhaps this kind of thing needs a mention elsewhere in the article, a short section about mainstream performers dipping a toe into street performing could be worth the server space and in that Bell and his performance would certainly fit. Thoughts on any of this?Jack of Many (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm totally okay with being called Pi. Just as long as I don't accidentally get confused with User:Pi! We don't run across each other much, though.
Cellini is safe, yeah. If Gazzo has his own wiki article that's not just advertising then he's maybe worth a mention.
That's the very essence of notability, though: coverage in multiple reliable sources. Interviews in college newspapers or mentions in other articles are important - third-party sources where the performer doesn't have a monetary stake in the publication.
Yeah, fair point about notability. I suppose my question was more to try and get an idea of what nature of publication is seen as reliable. Self published by the author isn't reliable to establish notability. What about self-published by non-connected individuals? What about (and you'll spot my interest in street performance here) the bigger magic websites, organisations like the IBM, Magic Circle and so on? Ones that have multiple contributors and some degree of editorial oversight are favourite, I know, but where that's lacking is it worth digging through specialist sites and resources with less a formal editorial structure for references? Jack of Many (talk) 11:45, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Bell I thought was interesting and notable because he did it specifically to direct attention to street performers. A 'professionals who busked once' section would be very interesting; Be Bold and add it! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Something that really jumped out of that story for me was a proof of a concept I've seen and heard mentioned by many street performers; that it's not about how good you are. Clearly it doesn't get much better than Bell, and yet he got practically no interest. A different pitch or presentation could have been very different (a music-busker local to me makes about £200/day, for contrast). I didn't get the impression it was an attention thing so much as an experiment though. I'll read more on that as it's entirely possible I missed something. Re: "Be Bold"... when I have the time I'll get on it (unless someone has a mad urge to beat me to the punch). Jack of Many (talk) 11:45, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the article needs a "Notable performers" section at all. A few (two to four ) notable street performers should be named in the main article, and that should be perfectly sufficient. TheScotch (talk) 12:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

When i created that section i called it celebrity anecdotes It should be renamed that because that is what it is. I am changing it forth with I also removed self promos by unknowns — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.109.198 (talk) 02:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

You also just managed to remove two artists with singles that charted in the UK. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Troubadours?[edit]

Re: "In medieval France buskers were known by the terms troubadours and jongleurs. In northern France they were known as trouveres. In old German buskers were known as Minnesingers and Spielleute."

These are very suspect sentences. Troubadours and "trouveres" (missing accent mark here) were generally noblemen who composed poetry and song for court performance, which makes them not buskers at all. Neither were the meistersingers buskers; they were guild members, and they competed formally for awards. TheScotch (talk) 12:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Italian: wrong[edit]

I object to the sentence "In Italian it evolved to buscare which meant "procure, gain" and in Italy buskers are called buscarsi or, more simply, Buskers". There is no such word as "buscare" in Italian, that is Spanish. I am Italian and never heard the word "buscarsi", as to the idea that they are called simply Buskers, well, that's absolutely not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.240.126.228 (talk) 08:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I object to the sentence "In Italian it evolved to buscare which meant "procure, gain" and in Italy buskers are called buscarsi or, more simply, Buskers".

There is no such word as "buscare" in Italian, that is Spanish. I am Italian and never heard the word "buscarsi", which would at any rate not respect Italian language morphology. As to the idea that they are called simply Buskers, well, that's absolutely not the case. I do not know what might be the source for that. 81.240.126.228 (talk) 08:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC) MarcoFant, 9/29/2012

I've removed the sentence. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, so 81.240.126.228 you say the noun Buskers (in English) are not known in Italian as either Buscarsi nor Buskers, so what are they called then, as you didn't say, thus no fix can be thought about and done by English-language speaking editors? Additionally on this, Google Translate gave me Buskers (en) > Buskers (it) (http://translate.google.com/#en/it/Buskers ) so which is correct? Also, you say the verb "buscare" is not Italian but Spanish, but what is the term for "to busk" in Italian then? Things like this help edits get done. Thanks. (NOTE: I joined the two similar comments from 81.240.126.228 under the same subtitle on this talk page.) Jimthing (talk) 15:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Modification deleted[edit]

Why the website http://www.buzzkers.com can't be add to demonstrate street musicians performance ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzzkers (talkcontribs) 09:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

This article in the past has become spam pit full of people trying to sell themselves. Adding your own link is a very clear conflict of interest; see WP:ADV which states "you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent". A mere repository of videos adds nothing to the article; there are hundreds of blogs with exactly the same thing. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 12:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)