Talk:Subregions of Hungary

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Terminology: subregions instead of micro-regions[edit]

Central Statistical Office of Hungary publishes its official yearly gazetteer in Hungarian and English. Thus English terminology of administrative division and units is well-defined.

See http://www.nepszamlalas.hu/eng/other/hnk2006/tartalom.html

CSO uses the term subregion rather than micro-region.

For example, municipality-level data for Fejér county: http://www.nepszamlalas.hu/eng/other/hnk2006/tablak/load2_2_07.html

--peyerk 16:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Every single reference I have found, including the officially translated English sites for the counties, says "micro-region". Rarelibra 00:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean by "official translation"? Official source is what I gave: CSO.
--peyerk 10:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, here is a quick summary -

  • HERE they are called "small regions"
  • HERE they are called "micro-regions"
  • HERE they are called "subregions"
  • HERE they are called "micro-regions"
  • HERE they are called "micro-regions"

Peyerk - this isn't to ruffle your feathers or to upset you. It is merely to show an inconsistency exists within the local (county) government entities. I am actually in the belief with you - and we can set this straight and change the title to "subregions" as per the official country source (I also checked Google Scholar, and "sub-regions" has 1,320 hits; "subregions" has 1,130 hits; "micro-regions" has 245 hits; and "microregions" has 118 hits). So do you suggest the naming as "sub-regions" (with the hyphen)? As it has the most number of hits? This seems to be the wiki way...

Maybe on the Hungarian side you can let those entities know of their incorrect usage of the terminology? :) Rarelibra 14:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure I can. (I had been a city councillor in Budapest for 12 years, worked and still work on international and EU field.) I know this inconsistecy - and many others as well.
CSO uses subregion without hyphen. If this is not totally incorrect in English, I suggest the use of this.
Number of hits cannot be the measurement method here simply because vast majority of your hits come from non-English sources but from tanslations of various quality. So these numbers show nothing about English usage.
--peyerk 14:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

2007 Changes[edit]

Peyerk - any maps available with the changes? That way I can update the maps... Rarelibra 00:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately not yet. The Act of Parliament moved 121 municipalities between subregions, including those included into six new subregions. I'm working on updating Hungarian version texts.
--peyerk 06:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Conventional listing order of Budapest & counties[edit]

Conventional listing order - both officially and unofficially - is: first Budapest (capital city), then counties in alpha order. The same applies if entities are listed by Budapest and counties.

--peyerk 21:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

By what reference(s)? Alpha order convention, in English, places Budapest in the middle. The article states it is listed by subregion, and at the top even states that Budapest is its own subregion. Please leave the list in alpha order, according to English convention. Rarelibra 21:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
You never put DC between Delaware and Florida, do you? The capital city and the counties are two different types of divisions of the same tier. Therefore they are listed first by type, THEN by alpha order. The same applies for the federal subjects of Russia: they are also listed by type THEN by name.
--peyerk 21:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, yes.

  • HERE is one example
  • HERE is another (click the alpha order)
  • HERE is another
  • HERE is yet another.

That is the English convention. Rarelibra 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Let me clarify something - are you stating that Budapest should be listed first, then the rest of the counties? If so, that seems fair enough. Because you keep putting it at the BOTTOM of the page, and this will confuse the user when they look alphabetically to find it. At the top - fine... at the bottom - no. Rarelibra 22:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
What I am saying - constantly - is that Budapest should not be put among the counties. Official sources put Budapest first but sometimes informally it is put last because of attitudes of non-Budapest resident of Hungary.
Now it's ok with Budapest first.
--peyerk 22:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Some Wikipedia info[edit]