Talk:Sukhoi Su-27

Range incorrect

I found that the quoted range on this page was incorrect for this aircraft so I changed it. Original values were; Range: 1,500 km combat, 3,900 km ferry (930 mi / 2,420 mi) but Sukhoi's website states; Maximum flight range (with rockets 2xR-27R1, 2xR-73E launched at half distance): - at sea level, km 1,340 - at height, km 3,530 Source; http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su27sk/lth/ Additionally the page for the Su-30MK adds a further 3,000km per refueling operation and given that Su-27 variants can refuel each other this adds a certain degree of capability so claiming 1,500km on this page sounds like the result of anti-Russian sources.

Well the more typical "combat radius" for modern fighters is about 500mi (about 800km). I don't think Flanker can be significatly better that this. Even 1500km sounds a bit too high.89.102.37.40 (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats because most modern fighters have little capacity for internal fuel. The original Mig-29's, F-16's, F-15's etc. have 9,600lb's, 7,000lb's and 13,000lb's respectively. Compare that to the Su-27's 20,700lb's of fuel and its rather fuel effecient engines (note they were designed later) and its combat radius ends up rather massive. Sure, the others all often carry external fuel and some have even been upgraded to have conformal fuel tanks or larger internal volume but the original Su-27 wins hands down even after all of that. Also, if you want to get into semantics its the current record holder for rate of climb etc. meaning it can boost itself up to high altitude faster to gain those fuel savings, not that using afterburners is a great way to get to a economic piece of sky.--Senor Freebie (talk) 04:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Malaysia does not have Sukhoi Su-27s (CORRECTED)

Just to let you know, Malaysia does not have in use (or ever has had in use) any Sukhoi Su-27's, only Su-30's. So the map should be editted to remove the red labelling.

Thanks, Eug.galeotti (talk) 13:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The caption and image file name list Su-27 and Su-30. A map without the Su-30 operators would be better though. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Map has been updated since. Eug.galeotti (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Angolan Su-27

Article says: "It is reported that one Su-27 in the process of landing,was shot down by SA-14 MANPADs fired by UNITA forces on 19 November 2000". Russian news agency NEWSru reported this UNITA's claim on 15 November 2000 without specifying the date. Creo11 (talk) 21:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Iran Su-27SKM

Why did someone add the Iranin SU-27 issue? this is completely non relevant (for one the Su belonged to Su, not the Russian air force, and Iran has already apologized for the delay), and offers no valuable info in regards to the aircrfat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.166.150 (talk) 22:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Su-27sm

Anyone know whats been changed in it relative to the Su-27S? Im not just talking about things like new radar etc but more specific info e.g. the type of Radar etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.42.33 (talk • contribs)

Canard

Why do later Flanker versions have a forward canard? And does the forward canard on Flankers increase there rcs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Technically this isnt the place to discuss this but the canards were added to increase maneuverability and increase lift for the heavier PESA radars (like on the Su-30MKI and older Su-35). The canards have been removed on later Su-35S because the radar changed and they are deemed unnecessary. Also some say canards increase RCS but the Eurofighter and Rafale both have canards and fairly low RCS. The older sukhois high RCS can be contributed mostly to their relatively large size and lack of RAM and not necessarily to the canards. -Nem1yan (talk) 22:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Su-27M

Since the Su-27M (Su-35) flew in 1988, and it was obviously in development before then, should it possibly be placed in the "Soviet Era" category under Variants? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.50.35 (talk) 08:15, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Good point. The entry been moved up. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit conflict

I may have undone someones edit-in-progress while doing cleanup on the Radar and sensors section. Sorry! Thermofan (talk) 09:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

"aerobaticteams.net" black-listed by Wikipedia

As a result of the black-listing, there is a broken reference within "Notable accidents" sub-article, event dated: 12 December 1995. Reference is numbered 31. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ltr,ftw (talk • contribs) 11:24, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I replaced it with the one used on the Russian Knights article.--McSly (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

No trouble; thank you for such a quick re-action. Ltr,ftw (talk) 12:04, 23 February 2012 (UTC)