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Picures[edit]

All the pictures left in the article look exactly the same. Same yellow-orange same dark hour, same everything. Could be the same picture only different sizes. Sunset doesn't look like this all the time. Hafspajen (talk) 22:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Ownership issues[edit]

Sunset at Öja, Sweden,added by Hafspajen comment: remove poor quality redundant pictures, removed by Alvesgaspar
Sunset as seen from a small town in India, added by by SajjadF.Alvesgaspar undid revision 579171402 by SajjadF (talk)remove poor quality photo [10] and [11]
Chillon Castle sunset. added by Hafspajen comment: remove poor quality redundant pictures, removed by Alvesgaspar (comment remove redundant and/or poor quality photos.)[12]
Sunset view of the Paranal Observatory, featuring two comets that are currently moving across the southern skies.[1] Alvesgaspar undid revision 548537226 by Jmencisom (talk)displaced picture [13]
A brilliant sunset at Woodlands, Singapore, captured on 12 November 2005. added [14] Removed by Alvesgaspar [15]
Author Jessie Eastland, Mustard Blue Sunset, suggested by User:Pocketthis. I would like to suggest this photo for filling the free space under photo#1. It's pretty Spot on, and the colors will enhance the boring red page. NOT IN THE ARTICLE


Alvesgaspar, you simply won't let anyone edit this article, right? the only pictures in this article are chosen by...well ... Alvesgaspar!

In spite of a real big amout of editors who would like to add pictures to this article. Like foe example Pocketthis who would like to suggest this photo (File:Mustard Blue Sunset.jpg ) the colors will enhance the boring red page.

SajjadF trying to add a picture, and it is constantly removed [16] and [17]. And myself, also stating that All the pictures left in the article look exactly the same. Same yellow-orange same dark hour, same everything. Could be the same picture only different sizes. Sunset doesn't look like this all the time. No answer on the comment on the Talk:Sunset, just more pictures removed. By Alvesgaspar.

DOwenWilliams said :Today, I added some text about the fact that, at sunset, the solar disk is distorted by refraction. But no. Alvesgaspar has seen fit to delete the picture, saying it is of "poor quality". DOwenWilliams (talk) 03:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC) and other problems. [18]

Editor Jsnaturephotos add picture, [19], removed by Alvesgaspar - [20]

Editor Ip ads [21] but is removed by Alvesgaspar - [22].

Arctic Kangaroo adds picture [23], but it is removed by Alvesgaspar [24].

Editor Jmencisom add picture, [25], but it is removed by Alvesgaspar [26]


Others may have the same problem, like Pocketthis : Here is an example of some of the colors that show up at Sunset with the right conditions. I'm not suggesting we use these photos or any of my sunset photos, but let's put some color on that page. Pocketthis (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Many editors suggested that the article looks sordid and unpleasant with only one kind of orange - black pictures.

Editor Elph adds a picture [27] and Alvesgaspar removes it [28] with the comment : no need for pictures in every part of the world.

Editor Vhorvat adds a picture [29] and Alvesgaspar removes it Alvesgaspar also removes sourced material. [30]

Added by Fir0002 [31] [32] Alvesgaspar removes it [33]


I do not agree that the pictures removed are bad or poor quality. Neither do others, like [34] Pocketthis.

All this points to a non consensus solution using pictures in this article, using only the pictures chosen by Alvesgaspar.

Hafspajen (talk) 11:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


  • Info -- Regular users change, people like to see his own images on the article ... and memory is short. No one to blame really! But please take a look at this long thread, where the problem of what pictures should be depicted in the article was discussed: Talk:Sunset/Archive 2. In there you will find more than a couple of images much better than the ones inserted recently in the article. Maybe the discussion can be refreshed with new and exciting material? Fine with me! But the purpose of article is not to host all types of sunsets, taken in the various parts of the world. For that, we have Commons.-- Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree with Hafspajen. Yes at the end of the day, you cannot put all pictures but don't give a lame excuse like, "poor quality". Some of the photos on the page currently aren't of a high quality either.

And don't say regular "users". It is "editors". The people who have contributed to this article have good experience in editing articles, They are not noobs. Calling them users is inappropriate. Having the same photos always makes no point. Choose some new photos to make the page more interesting. Photos from different places would increase diversity showing that wikipedia is not biased. And, Yes, some photos look similar because generally the colors during sunset are the same !! A discussion should be made again inorder to pick the best photos. SajjadF (talk) 20:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

    • I bumped into this conversation this morning. After I was done laughing about the title of the discussion, I went into the article for the first time in years, and was surprised to see what a mess it was. So I removed the "line-up" from the right side of page and added them to a Gallery setting for diversity. Then I lined up the Mars photo where it belongs next to Planets. Pocketthis (talk) 17:17, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
  • As usual Alvesgaspar removed my edits, and in doing so, removed the photos that were put up by others before I moved them to a Gallery. I do feel like some of the photos were more of the Twilight variety, and planned on moving in exchange photos from Commons. However "The world according to Alvesgaspar" should really be addressed here, and rectified. I stopped editing here a couple of years ago because of this man's relentless ego and self appointed guardianship of this article. Good luck Sunrise & Sunset.Pocketthis (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Many of us have "pet articles", which we have edited a lot and which we try to keep in good order. I have three or four of them. When I see that someone else has edited one of these articles, I always check to see what they have done. Sometimes, I revert the edit. Sometimes, I make additional corrections or changes. Most often, I leave them alone, accepting that they improve the article, or at least do it no harm. There's no accounting for taste, and if someone thinks some wording should be changed in some trivial way, I'm not going to quarrel with them without good reason. Occasionally, if someone has made a particularly constructive edit, I thank them for it. Constructive editing should be encouraged. But Alvesgaspar has a different attitude. When anyone edits any of "his" articles, he invariably reverts what has been done, without giving any reason except that the edit (usually the addition of an image) is of "poor quality', whatever that means. He does not appear to use any objective criterion. It's just a knee-jerk reaction, which is very discouraging and annoying. I have given up on trying to improve any of "his" articles, which, of course, is just what he wants. DOwenWilliams (talk) 15:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I recently replaced the photo: Knysnasunset.jpg, that was only receiving Apox: 150 views per month in Commons, with the photo: Burning Yellow Sunset.jpg, that was receiving upwards of 270 views per month in Commons. Alvesgaspar has reversed me, and had some of his old friends come to his rescue by reversing me, as well as coming to my talk page and threatening me. I intend on holding strong here on solid ground. I made a logical edit that improves the boring red colors on the page, while proving its quality by posting the hits it gets in Commons. The average photo in commons gets around 20 hits a month. Both of the photos in question are far above average. The issue here is the fact that Alvesgaspar is positive that he owns this article. As anyone can read here on this talk page, the community consensus has spoken, and any reversal of my edit by Alvesgaspar or any of his long time friends, will be considered an "Edit War".→Pocketthis (talk) 18:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
  • This kind of ad hominem attacks and accusations is improper of civilized editors and detrimental to the project. I respectfully suggest Pocketthis to withdraw those comments and apologize before the present issue is discussed. I also ask some uninvolved editor (an admin would be better) to roll back the article to before the picture replacement, that is, to 03:45 13 November. Alvesgaspar (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
    • I only stated facts. There is nothing to apologize for. If anyone should be apologizing, it should be you for the "hijacking" of this article for many years. The consensus of editors on this page has already spoken. We are relieving you of Command of this article. This article will be edited as any other article is edited, just like I edited it, and many others have attempted to until your reversals. If an Admin were to become involved, you would have to explain to him why you reversed my edit. NOT that it should be reverted to your version until settled. You will eventually end this conversation like you always do, claiming that "if we want to see Sunset photos.....that's what Commons is for". However, you are mistaken. Commons is the depository of uploaded photos where "we get the photos from to post in articles". The community has spoken here here already, and even though the outcome isn't what you'd like......it is what it is.→Pocketthis (talk) 20:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I wanted to add that I'm sorry that it had to get to this point. We have tried to reason with Alvesgaspar for at least as long as I've been an editor here, (Aug,2011), and for much longer than that when I would just visit this page as a reader. I try not to allow myself to think that it is ego driving Alvesgaspar, but rather a very technically educated photographer, whom has the idea that a technically perfect photo is more important than a sufficiently technical photo, even if the prior doesn't enhance the articles as well as the latter. He has been "deaf earing" the requests from other editors to put some variety on this page for so long, it has become increasingly easier for him to revert and ignore other editors every year. Sooner or later this day would eventually arrive. The day when an editor standing on firm ground tries to end the ownership of this article by Alvesgaspar. I waited for someone else to do it. Others have certainly tried right here on this page. I hope when the dust clears we can all learn to work together here, the way this place was designed to function. I harbor no ill feelings. I just want this page and the Sunrise page as well, to be edited fairly, correctly, and for the benefit of the readers, and not a photographer, science editor, or any other one individual.→ Pocketthis (talk) 21:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

External links[edit]

User Pyrometer exclude link to http://sunsetsunrisetime.com on 23:52, 19 January 2014‎ with comment "Bad site: incorrect calculations"

I compare results of 4 sites:

  • astroid.eu
  • spectralcalc.com
  • sunrisehour.com
  • sunsetsunrisetime.com

for Tbilisi, Georgia, lat 41.694110 lon 44.833680, timezone GMT+5, 23.01.2014

site sunset sunrise day length
astroid.eu 19:05 09:22 9:43
spectralcalc.com 19:04:26 9:20:51 -
sunrisehour.com 19:04 9:21 9:43
sunsetsunrisetime.com 19:05:02 09:22:07 09:42:53

All resulsts are little different. It is a computational error. I think it is not correct to exclude one of this sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.151.111.197 (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Picture replacement[edit]

  • I recently replaced the photo: Knysnasunset.jpg, that was only receiving Apox: 150 views per month in Commons, with the photo: Burning Yellow Sunset.jpg, that was receiving upwards of 270 views per month in Commons. Alvesgaspar has reversed me, and had some of his old friends come to his rescue by reversing me, as well as coming to my talk page and threatening me. I intend on holding strong here on solid ground. I made a logical edit that improves the boring red colors on the page, while proving its quality by posting the hits it gets in Commons. The average photo in commons gets around 20 hits a month. Both of the photos in question are far above average. The issue here is the fact that Alvesgaspar is positive that he owns this article. As anyone can read here on this talk page, the community consensus has spoken, and any reversal of my edit by Alvesgaspar or any of his long time friends, will be considered an "Edit War".→Pocketthis (talk) 18:38, 19 November 2014 (UTC) [copied from the section "Ownership issues" above]
  • This kind of ad hominem attacks and accusations is improper of civilized editors and detrimental to the project. I respectfully suggest Pocketthis to withdraw those comments and apologize before the present issue is discussed. I also ask some uninvolved editor (an admin would be better) to roll back the article to before the picture replacement, that is, to 03:45 13 November. Alvesgaspar (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
    • I only stated facts. There is nothing to apologize for. If anyone should be apologizing, it should be you for the "hijacking" of this article for many years. The consensus of editors on this page has already spoken. We are relieving you of Command of this article. This article will be edited as any other article is edited, just like I edited it, and many others have attempted to until your reversals. If an Admin were to become involved, you would have to explain to him why you reversed my edit. NOT that it should be reverted to your version until settled. You will eventually end this conversation like you always do, claiming that "if we want to see Sunset photos.....that's what Commons is for". However, you are mistaken. Commons is the depository of uploaded photos where "we get the photos from to post in articles". The community has spoken here here already, and even though the outcome isn't what you'd like......it is what it is.→Pocketthis (talk) 20:59, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I wanted to add that I'm sorry that it had to get to this point. We have tried to reason with Alvesgaspar for at least as long as I've been an editor here, (Aug,2011), and for much longer than that when I would just visit this page as a reader. I try not to allow myself to think that it is ego driving Alvesgaspar, but rather a very technically educated photographer, whom has the idea that a technically perfect photo is more important than a sufficiently technical photo, even if the prior doesn't enhance the articles as well as the latter. He has been "deaf earing" the requests from other editors to put some variety on this page for so long, it has become increasingly easier for him to revert and ignore other editors every year. Sooner or later this day would eventually arrive. The day when an editor standing on firm ground tries to end the ownership of this article by Alvesgaspar. I waited for someone else to do it. Others have certainly tried right here on this page. I hope when the dust clears we can all learn to work together here, the way this place was designed to function. I harbor no ill feelings. I just want this page and the Sunrise page as well, to be edited fairly, correctly, and for the benefit of the readers, and not a photographer, science editor, or any other one individual.→ Pocketthis (talk) 21:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Gallery[edit]

Over the past 3 weeks there has been discussion between other editors and myself on our talk pages, about adding a small gallery. I finally got around to making one today. Anyone who doesn't like my choices, and wants to make an exchange, please post your photo for consensus approval first.-Thanks-Pocketthis (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Comets and Shooting Stars Dance Over Paranal". ESO. Retrieved 3 April 2013.