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Wrong information under 'Series summary'[edit]

The names of the poses in the series are incorrect and the translations are misleading. It is true that the sanskrit has multiple translations, and the same pose can be called by different names, however as stated they are not helpful to the reader due to this confusion. Take a popular source such as Yoga Journal, and compare to the poses shown vs. the descriptions of the series; the article's "dandasana" is wrong, for example.

The correct names should be something similar to (as used in current Hatha or ashtanga or many other lineages today):

1 - Tadasana; standing pose, mountain pose or sometimes called prayer pose if palms are together

2 - Hasta Uttanasana; upward hands pose

3 - Uttanasana; intense forward pose

4 - (no sanskrit name is common); high lunge on right leg

5 - chatarunga; four limb pose, commonly called plank pose

6 - Chatarunga dandasana; four limbed stick pose (danda is staff or stick, and using staff here is confusing for the reader who may assume dandasana is similar, whereas dandansana is a seated pose)

7 - Bhujangasana; cobra pose

8 - Adho Mukha Svanasana; downward facing dog

9 - (no sanskrit name is common); high lunge on right leg

10 - Uttanasana; intense forward pose

11 - Hasta Uttanasana; upward hands pose

12 - Tadasana (see 1 above)

If there is no disagreement to the above I will make edits in the coming months to correct the sequence.

Jcline0 (talk) 06:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems these were not changed... I will be making similar changes to update this portion of the article in a coming update.
Supaiku (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Sanskrit transliteration[edit]

Calling for help from someone knowledgeable in Sanskrit to review the words in this article and make any necessary edits. I have kept the macrons in words (thus indicating long vowels) where I have found them in other sources. I am also unsure whether it is better to use namaskara or namaskar. If you are knowledgeable in both Sanskrit and IPA it would be great if exact pronunciation guides could be added in IPA or SAMPA. Oska 03:32, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

The final a in नमस्कार namaskāra (Sanskrit transliteration) is dropped in most New Indo-Aryan (NIA) languages, hence a pronunciation closer to /namaskaːr/. I'm afraid a phonetic transcription would confuse more than it would help, since the pronunciation differs quite much in different Indian language varieties. Since the transliteration is quite phonemic in itself I suggest that the transliterations will do, and interested could look up the transliteration method to see how it should/can be pronunced… I propose we use the 'common' transliterations in the text and on respective āsana's page we could add both the nāgarī as well as the transliteration.
Kess 14:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
IPA pronunciation guide added based on this discussion in a linguistics online forum. (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Whether this should be under Hinduism[edit]

i have placed this article under wikiproject hinduism.--Jayanthv86 18:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

(My intention is not to start a edit war or such, I just wish to know how others see this.) Short version: there are different opinions whether yoga should be accounted for in Hinduism or not. I would like to hear opinions if yoga articles should fall under Hinduism alone, both Hinduism and something other, or another cathegorisation altogether.
Kess 14:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

My opinion is that Yoga is a separate subject than any one religion. It's interesting that this article doesn't even mention Yoga, yet it is as a physical-spiritual Yoga technique that most people will encounter the Sun Salutation; I don't view it as a form of "sun worship" at all, so I think there needs to be some separation between the origins of the practice and its usage today. Maybe then we can remove the stub status. -- Ben

It is rather sad that Hinduism is considered a religion. 'Hindu' was the name given to the people residing near the river Sindu (at the time of Indus Valley Civilization) by the Greeks as they had difficulty pronoucing sindu. Those people(residing near Sindu)'s practices for physical, mental, and spiritual well-being are now considered Hinduism. Those people themselves used to call their practices as 'Sanatan Dharma' of which a poor translation would be Eternal Religion and the poorest would be 'Hinduism'. Sanatan means eternal but Dharma isn't a religion, it is righteous discharging of one's duties (e.g. For a fisherman, catching fish is his dharma but catching them for sports is not a dharma). What is righteous and what is not would often be questioned by people of other belief system and hence all these religions and fights among them. Since the saga of being mis-represented (for Hinduism) is in the root itself, it wouldn't and shouldn't matter for the branches (i.e. Yoga being a part of the practices )

Ambiguous reference for Surya Namaskar being a 20th century invention[edit]

The article claims that Surya Namaskar is a 20th century invention and cites a book by Raja of Aundh [1]. The book is an exposition of the Surya Namskars. At no point does the book's author claim invention of Surya Namaskars. This paragraph needs to be removed pending a more reliable reference.

Ikshatriya 17:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Incomplete views on the origins of Surya Namaskar[edit]

I agree with Ikshatriya, the origins of Surya Namaskar I believe are not stated properly. Please also refer to the article "Surya Namaskara Chapter" on Wiki itself for some of the origins of Surya Namaskar. I am collecting necessary references to correct this article.--Khammam 01:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Reasons for the revert[edit]

The article was changed by i.p without discussion. I request the person to please explain the reason for removing an important sentence without discussion. Till that time, I as the author of that section of the article will keep reverting to the older version. --Khammam 18:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

While I agree some discussion is needed on this before starting a stupid edit war, the sentence in question is a very big claim that needs a concrete citation from a reliable published source. If one cannot be provided, then I will be removing it. Taking possession of popularizing the Sun Salutation is something that needs sourcing. VanTucky 22:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read the references provided in the article "Surya Namaskar Origins". There is a section on Raja of Aundh with published references. Further, if you look at the older version of this article, it states that Raja of Aundh actually invented it. To clear the air on it I added this sentence. If you want me to add the references given in the Origins article here, I will be happy to do so. Hope this is sufficient. If you still feel that this sentence needs to be restated in this article, I invite you to rewrite the sentence instead of totally removing it.--Khammam 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:CITE which explains how to source things. The material you re-added is not supported by inline citations, so it can be removed as unsourced. Just referring to a book or teacher is not a verifiable reference. Also, books must meet the test of being a WP:RS. Just because someone publishes a book, it may or may not qualify as a WP:RS. For content disputes, one way to work them out is to begin by discussing what sources are being used, and if they are considered acceptable WP:RS or not. Currently the article is so poorly cited it is impossible to tell what the sources are, or what comes from which source.
The references for this article must appear here, by the way. Please do not refer me to a different article. And Wikipedia articles themselves are not usable as WP:RS, of course. Buddhipriya 08:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


I have removed linkspam from the Surya Namaskara article because the site cites no reliable sources: [2]. Please review WP:EL for policy on external links. Wikipedia is not a directory of links, and sites must qualify as WP:RS for such links. Buddhipriya 08:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The user has restored the spam links with no dicussion. I have removed them once again and call for compliance with WP:SPAM, WP:EL, and WP:RS. Material that is unsourced may be removed at any time. Buddhipriya 22:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed that several of the links technically constitute linkspam per WP:El. VanTucky (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Image removal[edit]

I removed the images in the gallery, as, without continuity, they are seemingly random, and orovide no instructional value. In addition, the upward dog presented by the Diamond whatevr Society, in addition to being promotional, and therefore spam, was just horrid. -- 01:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the gallery, but WP:MOS#Images requires that we have a lead image situated to the right if one is available. Feel free to choose another image, perhaps from the deleted gallery or Wikimedia Commons. But please make sure that we comply with the Manual of Style when possible. VanTucky Talk 01:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice choice. -- 01:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. VanTucky Talk 01:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

split table[edit]

I have split the table as it is misleading. Those mantras are pronounced at start of each cycle, not that they are pronounced during corresponding asanas. Now.nupe (talk) 06:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Forward bend[edit]

Why are positions 3 and 10 in the series summary (forward bend) referred to by those two different names? Ohconfucius (talk) 05:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The names are misleading. Poses in general may have different names under different gurus. However they should be consistent here and cited. Jcline0 (talk) 03:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Scientific studies?[edit]

This article needs a section on the scientific studies done on the health benefits os Surya namaskar. - (talk) 16:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Do scientific studies exist?
I'll be updating the article and be sure to include any information from reliable sources I find about the physical/mental effects of physical activity and meditation. I will also link to specific asanas in the article which will include similar information relating to individual asanas.
Supaiku (talk) 11:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Varying linages, varying practices[edit]

Just as different gurus attribute different names to the same poses, every school of yoga has its own version of Surya Namaskara. This article only shows one. It's great to have a sequence posted here, but it's not the only sequence that people practice as Surya Namaskara. Perhaps this could be expanded into a table, showing what Sun Salutations look like in varying traditions. Morganfitzp (talk) 21:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

The controversy of whether Surya Namaskara is a 20th century invention needs mention[edit]

In comments above, it is mentioned that a section claiming Surya Namaskara is a 20th century invention have been deleted due to ambiguous references. This is unfortunate. I do not have a reference handy, but I have strong reasons to believe that this is the case. Until a good reference is found, it cannot be stated in the article as a fact, but it is bad practice not to mention this controversy. Thomas Tvileren (talk) 01:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Archive of text removed for badly cited information[edit]

I removed this section because it does not belong here on the article's talk page. The information can still be accessed by viewing the article's history. Morganfitzp (talk) 23:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Pose discrepancy[edit]

The picture posted beside Bhujangasana is actually Urdhva Mukha Svanasana. Morganfitzp (talk) 16:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you looking at just the file name?Curb Chain (talk) 18:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
The file name, and his hips, which are off the floor. Morganfitzp (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I thought either asana could be used.Curb Chain (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, people practice both Bhujagasana or Urdhva Mukha Svanasana in Surya Namaskar, but the photo here for "Bhujangasana" is actually Urdhva Mukha Svanasana. Morganfitzp (talk) 23:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Why not include both names and both photos?Curb Chain (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, we could include variations for this pose in the sequence of this Surya Namaskar, and then we could also do the same for any pose: Tadasana with hands in Anjali Mudra or arms by the side; Lunges with knee up/knee down, and/or arms up/arms down; Ashtanga Namaskara or Chaturunga Dandasana; and so on. The article could also chart the difference between its current version of Surya Namaskara and those practiced in other lineages—e.g. Anshtanga Vinyasa Yoga Surya Namaskar A (no lunges whatsoever) and Surya Namaskar B (with Utkatasana, Virabhadrasana I and three Adho/Urdvha Mukha Svanasanas per cycle]]). There are also many versions of Surya Namaskar that fall outside of standard yoga schools and systems, practiced by farmers and religioud pilgrims. Could make for a longer, more thorough article. Morganfitzp (talk) 03:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
We could discuss them. Use the offical pictures and names, and thus asanas for "Surya Namaskar" (not "Surya Namaskar A" or others) and make the articles for the other sequences because although they are variations, they are notable.Curb Chain (talk) 04:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Isn't what we have now Surya Namaskar A? Or Surya Namsakara A?Curb Chain (talk) 22:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I see that a picture of a different yogi practicing Bhujangasana has been replaced the former image of Urdhva Mukha Svanasana. The two poses are very similar and are often used interchangeably. The article reads best when the photos are consistent (same yogi in different poses), since this is an asana series. The discrepancy can be remedied by just noting that the pose pictured is actually Upward Facing Dog, not Cobra. Morganfitzp (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

No that wouldn't improve the article. Which picture do you want, really? The one before, the now, or the one on Urdhva Mukha Svanasana?Curb Chain (talk) 23:31, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that Surya Namaskar Origins be merged into Surya Namaskara. I think that the content in the "Origins" article can easily be explained in the context of Surya Namaskara, and the Surya Namaskara article can be condensed to a reasonable size that the merging will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Morganfitzp (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Last Edit Summary With "...How To"[edit]

I mean to say violates WP:NOTHOWTO.Curb Chain (talk) 06:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that Curb Chain is referring to an edit I made, which added the chakra numbers next to the Sanskrit names of each chakra. This was a minor edit that translated non-English terminology into English here on English language Wikipedia. This is common practice in articles related to yoga and makes it easier for English speakers to navigate what might otherwise be some very esoteric articles.
Regarding the Surya Namaskara article (and many other articles on yoga asanas), there is always some amount of "how to". As a yoga instructor, I teach asana (or, in English, poses) through visual, verbal and kinesthetic cues. Therefore a picture of a yoga pose or sequence is a form of "how to", as is any written description. It would be an absurd act of censorship to omit these pictures and descriptions in the articles that they relate to. It would also be absurd to go overboard into every minute detail and aspect of a single asana in any given article. As Wikipedians, we ultimately decide where the line is drawn. We do this together by supporting the many truths out there through an attitude of "Yes, and..." rather than a flat out, "No, you're wrong." Morganfitzp (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
The sanskrit does not translate into the charkra numbers; am I wrong to say that the numbers are simply a learning aid, that the ordinals, and numbers, correspond to the position of the chakras from top to bottom?Curb Chain (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Good point. As per your suggestion, I've added a column to the chart, now called "Chakra Position". Each row now details both the ordinal and a portion of the body associated with each corresponding chakra. Morganfitzp (talk) 05:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Step 13[edit]

The following wikisyntax is from step 13 which I have removed as it didn't fit in the table when I combined the 2 tables:

| 13
|ॐ ह्रः
| om hraḥ
|ॐ श्री सवित्र सूर्या नारायणाय नमः
| om sri savitra soorya narayanaaya namaḥ || Anahata || Heart || Pranamasana

Is this supposed to be for savasana, the last asana? If so, we should include this information, and a separate table with one row to show that this information is for shavasana.Curb Chain (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I've included this information as shavasana. Please remove the section isif this is incorrect.Curb Chain (talk) 23:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
I think this may be related to [3]. I remember either translating this and getting something like "salute to the father" and another sanskrit line translated to "salute to the mother".Curb Chain (talk) 01:39, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
this is of interestCurb Chain (talk) 01:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Rig Veda referrence in Mantra Section[edit]

How about mentioning the source of the mantras in the Rig Veda - referring to the details on the Surya Namaskara ORIGINS article ?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:01, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


Would somebody be able to add a column with a translation into English of the Mantras?

Gwaka Lumpa (talk) 07:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)