Talk:Susan Sontag

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citations in Personal Life section[edit]

Fixed citations in the section about Annie Leibovitz; apparently someone had lifted the text, but not the html, from Leibovitz article. 11 Arlington (talk) 08:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem[edit]

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Clean-up[edit]

I have cleaned up a lot of the OR in this article, but it needs more references and more research about Sontag's writings. It should describe her major works briefly, using reviews as sources and tell us more that the reception and critical analysis of her major works. Also, it notes that she was a leading intellectual, but it doesn't say why. What did she say or write that was influential in intellectual circles? Finally, of course, it is missing lots of refs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Recantation[edit]

I was trying to clean up the criticism section. This is regarding her quote about the white race being a cancer and subsequent *recantation*. I was trying to change the following sentence: According to journalist Mark M. Goldblatt, Sontag later recanted this statement, saying that "it slandered cancer patients". I was trying to change it to something more reasonable like the following: Sontag later amplified this statement by way of sarcastic recantation, saying that the original statement “slandered cancer patients". Sontag may have recanted at somepoint, but she certainly wasn't recanting when she said that. So we can get rid of the recantation statement, or change the words to reflect what sontag actually meant. Human beings, especially intellectuals, don't actually ever recant statements this way. Just like no one in the entire history of the English language when trying to actually withdraw calling someone else "shit-for-brains" has uttered "I'm sorry, I actually just slandered shit and I certainly did not mean to do that."

It is fairly obvious that what she was doing was doubling down on the original statement by issuing a sarcastic recantation. So why does this edit keep getting reverted? Because some journalist said that this was actually a recantation? Would we also believe this journalist when he said the moon was made of cheese? Sontag may have recanted somewhere at some time, but this was not a recantation. This should be changed or deleted completely.

We all speak English and have brains here, so is it a disability to use them in this context? My apologies if these changes to my edits were automated. - mike jones

The matter is rather simple: If there is a reliable source that states that Sontag later amplified this statement by way of sarcastic recantation... then fine, please add it to the article along with the reliable source. If not, then that is your own personal analysis otherwise known as original research and it is simply not permitted on Wikipedia. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:04, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I see, so this is you just outright ignoring the plain meaning of the english language and hiding behind bureaucratic nonsense you've wrapped yourself with because you have a personal axe to grind in all this. How can you, in any universe, positively assert that someone recanted a statement that the white race is a cancer by saying a follow up statement saying that they did not mean to slander cancer patients? Thanks for your help, Dr. K, enemy of truth, you just made wikipedia a little hit dumber, which was obviously your goal. -mike jones

Yup. Personal attacks are typically used by people who have nothing of substance to add to a discussion. Thanks for saving me the time trying to educate you further. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

How can you, in any universe, positively assert that someone recanted a statement that the white race is a cancer by issuing a follow up statement saying that they did not mean to slander cancer patients? Sontag may or may not have recanted the original statement, but when she said that she did not mean to slander cancer patients THAT was not and could not be a recantation. Denying this truth because someone somewhere wrote that it was in fact a recantation just serves to cloud history, and the only reason you are persisting in this is you have a POV to grind. So, Yup. People that refuse to engage in a discussion of the point at issue and instead rely on the fig leaf of wiki bureaucratic minutia to avoid doing what is required in order to make the entry more truthful and more useful are always engaged in distorting the truth. That's you. 24.55.17.185 (talk) 12:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC) Mike Jones