Talk:Suseo Station

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On 11 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Suseo station. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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In the box at the bottom of the page which says "next staion", how can the "towards Suseo" caption be changed to "torwards Orgeum"?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.133.100.56 (talk) 04:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 06:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suseo Station → Suseo station – Korean station convention is lowercase station, like US and many other countries. Dicklyon (talk) 01:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). :3 F4U (they /it) 01:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 07:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Listed at: WT:Korea, WT:WikiProject Trains. :3 F4U (they /it) 22:13, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unlike simple subway stations on the Seoul Metropolitan Subway, the name for "Suseo Station" includes the word "Station" as part of its proper name. This can be evidenced in the Korea Joongang Daily, the Korea Herald, the Korea Biomedical Review (??), The Korea Times, The Hankyoreh, Yonhap, AP News, the NYTimes, etc. :3 F4U (they /it) 01:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Book usage shows that lowercase station is common, and this would agree with all the other Korean stations. And the platform sign just says "Suseo". Dicklyon (talk) 02:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per ~~they/it~~F4U - As the station uses this name I see no reason to decapitalise it. –Davey2010^Talk 19:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Except it doesn't; "the platform sign jsut says 'Suseo'". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:19, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The station uses it on their website. Platform signs are not a reliable source and I doubt many of the publications in the Google Books search are reliable either. Wikipedia goes by the usage of reliable sources, and I've shown that reliable sources demonstrably use "Suseo Station" over "Suseo station". :3 F4U (they /it) 23:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and per Dicklyon evidence. If the station is routinely labelled jsut "Suseo" by those who operate it, "Suseo station" is not a proper name. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:19, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and SMcC. While newspaper sources have been presented that would capitalise, there is certainly mixed uses evidenced by the google books search. The first page also evidences sufficient sources that would meet WP:RS. See also, a google scholar search, which also evidences mixed usage. Where there is mixed usage, we don't cap per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note – I just noticed that Freedom4U has moved over 200 station article titles from lower to uppercase Station, including many since this discussion started, which appears to show that they are working against the consensus about the established naming conventions. We'll need to work on undoing that lot, I think. Dicklyon (talk) 20:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Compare the above Dong-o subway station to the below Suseo Station
@Dicklyon: Allow me to explain:
1. Back in February I moved a large number of Korail station articles as I believed they were moved without consensus and didn't follow proper naming conventions. The existing consensus, formed here, found consensus to move Korean subway station articles, but did not touch on Korail stations—which I believed to be significantly different enough.^[1]
2. I took a long break, but I finished moving the rest of the applicable stations inside Category:Seoul Metropolitan Subway stations on July 10 (but critically before this requested move)
3. At one point afterwards that day, Dicklyon filed a technical move request for Suseo Station, which I contested, which started this discussion.
4. In addition, on July 8 (prior to this discussion), Pedroperezhumberto reverted some of the moves I made back in February. I reached out to Pedro on this talk page (July 11), and we agreed to revert it back. These pagemoves are the ones Dicklyon cites as having happened since this discussion started.
In addition, although I think this is a given, I am perfectly willing to undo my pagemoves myself if there's a consensus against it. :3 F4U (they /it) 22:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ For example, Seoul Subway stations broadly do not include the word "station" in their names (pictured), which demonstrates that the "station" in the title is descriptive in that case.

Oppose per the above picture File:Suseo_SRT_station.jpg. Sawol (talk) 08:12, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Signs are usually in title case (when not all-caps); that has no bearing here. We look to uses in sentences, like in the book search link I post to start with. Dicklyon (talk) 17:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support especially with Dicklyon's response regarding the use in sentences, not signs. Killuminator (talk) 11:11, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] For example, Seoul Subway stations broadly do not include the word "station" in their names (pictured), which demonstrates that the "station" in the title is descriptive in that case.

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