Talk:Swamp

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Iraqi dictatorship[edit]

Why is the word "dictatorship" in italics? It makes no sense to me. I'm going to remove those italics, I really don't understand why the sentence is there at all, but for now I'll just change the italics. 75.137.117.1 (talk) 19:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Poor photo[edit]

This photo was removed. It looks like a junk and rock pile. The subject of this photograph is not a swamp. The background may be. Let's find a better photograph. Enternoted 04:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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I added a different photo that is hopefully more representative of a swamp. The other photo could be moved to an article on junkpiles near swamps. Enternoted 20:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Better swamp?

I request that we add the biggest wetland in the world "the pantanal" and put some pictures of it.

Biased? Common guys, it is an incomplete list of swamps.[edit]

Why this list of swamps unbalanced?--Frozenport (talk) 23:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Well you can complete it if you want...-- Someone35  11:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Non-swamp photo[edit]

The forest in the second photo of the article (titled "A swamp in Belarus") is not a swamp. It is a temporarily flooded forest. It can be seen from the fact that some tree species of the photo, notably Betula pendula and Picea abies are not tolerant of true swamp conditions.

Also the landscape in the last photo (titled "Vasyugan Swamp in western Siberia") is rather bog than swamp. It is mostly even not forested. Krasanen (talk) 09:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I've removed the images. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I added a new photo from Europe. Krasanen (talk) 11:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
While you're thinking about what is and isn't an appropriate photograph you might want to look at the one which is currently the last one in the article, the one about Salt Pan Creek in Australia. Strictly speaking this is a coastal salt marsh (what Americans call a bayou) rather than a swamp. Trilobitealive (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
It is a mangrove stand, also called mangrove swamp, the tree species seems to be Avicennia marina. Salt marsh is a community of lower plants. Krasanen (talk) 21:30, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Makes sense and I bow to your greater knowledge. That's why I asked instead of messing up the article deleting it. I'm not an expert on the etymology of the word, just lived on various spots on the US coastline a long time. I'd like to see an article somewhere which actually defines rather than lists the types like in Wetland. (And perhaps an article which could compare the usage of the words in US and EU, the Pacific islands and other areas.) Still looks like a bayou to me, just the other side from the pitcher plants, grasses, sedges and reeds. Plus the fact that tide and currents don't allow mangrove marshes to undergo the same eutrophication process as real swamps. Where exactly does the "coastal marsh" end and the 'swamp' begin in a coastal bayou with fingers of trees, fingers of grasses and sedges? Trilobitealive (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree that an exact definition would be a good addition to the article. Not an easy task as the definitions differ somewhat between different countries/continents. The first sentence of the article is a part of the definition: forested wetland. However, it is not enough: e.g. boreal Europe's eutrophic Sphagnum wetlands with dense Norway spruce are not called swamps but spruce mires or spruce bogs. I would say swamp has open water and not Sphagnum. Marsh is not forested. Of course, it may often be difficult to say where marsh ends and swamp begins - the boundaries are not always sharp. Krasanen (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)