Talk:Sweet Home Alabama
|This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Sweet Home Alabama article.|
|WikiProject Songs||(Rated C-class)|
|WikiProject Rock music||(Rated C-class, High-importance)|
|This talk page is automatically archived by MiszaBot I. Any threads with no replies in 3 months may be automatically moved. Sections without timestamps are not archived.|
In Agreement with the posts above
First of all a listener would need to read and listen to the lyrics of the songs. Much like a poem it would be a wise measure to digest the directions one could interpret Sweet Home Alabama before posting something publicly.
Whomever wrote the interpretation on Wikipedia could be entirely incorrect? How would you feel as a Southerner reading Neil Young's lyrics in a time of turmoil (Vietnam, Nixon) and following civil rights movement?
If you study the economy and industrialization of Birmingham (steel, manufacturing) a small Pittsburgh, PA in some ways, Neil Young's comments seem too generalized.
Write a song about Eugene Bull Connor and his police force, or Wallace himself. Read parts of Young's songs below.
It's good to think about and healthy to discuss our history and culture in our songs. There are some other powerful songs on civil rights type themes: Dylan James Meredith, Emmet Till, Birmingham Bombing (Joan Baez, beautiful song)...
Here are some lyric samples. WIKIPEDIA, get some help!
Chorus to Neil Young's Southern Man
Southern man better keep your head Don't forget what your good book said Southern change gonna come at last Now your crosses are burning fast Southern man
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking How long? How long?
Lyric Samples from Neil Young Alabama
Alabama, you got the weight on your shoulders That's breaking your back. Your Cadillac has got a wheel in the ditch And a wheel on the track
Oh Alabama. Can I see you and shake your hand. Make friends down in Alabama. I'm from a new land I come to you and see all this ruin What are you doing Alabama? You got the rest of the union to help you along What's going wrong?
Strange fact: "George Wallace was the governor of Alabama when this was released. He loved this, especially the line, "In Birmingham they love the governor." He made the band honorary Lieutenant Colonels in the state militia."
There is some lively discussion at this website: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=1702
And, "Born in the USA" was used by the Reagan campaign in 1984, even though the lyrics were clearly critical of American society.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
If it's true, then that's very important and needs to be in the article. That site also has a post that claims wallace tried to make SHA the state song but he wanted "BOO BOO BOO" removed. The post said a Van Zant refused, so the song did not become the state song. If true, this would mean wallace liked the song but didn't want the song's clear dissaproval of him to be imortalized officially. (That is, it reflects wallace's own life in that he later regretted adopting segregationist views just because he thought it was a convenient way to get elected. Segregation meant nothing more to him than an "issue", an important messy lesson of history.) The words "BOO BOO BOO" are crystal clear, there is no need for debate as to any other interpretation, the 'B' sound is quite present 3 times over. "woo hoo hoo" sort of ignores that no 'w' sound is heard on the first syllable, and no 'h' is heard on the last two. Ace Frahm 10:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- If the song clearly disapproved of Wallace, why leave it in the backing vocals? The fact is the two definitive statements about him are: (1)"In Birmingham they love the governor", and (2) "and the governor's true". I think that's pretty positive.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:40, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah but, One thing that IS completely verifiable is that the chorus is accompanied by a (black) gospel choir... unlikely the first choice of a pro-segregationist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 00:35, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- So the song's message is this: Alabama is a great place, but it's got plenty of racists, and we disapprove of that, and we love those black musicians, but how dare Neil Young criticise it, and by the way what was wrong with the Watergate burglary.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- No, the song's message is this: Alabama is more diverse than the very vocal racist segment would lead you to believe. Please don't generalize us for the actions and thoughts of some ugly people. Yes Birmingham loves the racist, horrible governor. We don't judge all northerners because of Watergate, please don't lump our band/all Alabamans with Birmingham. Jaweldon (talk) 05:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Song is satire?
To me, the song's lyrics almost satirical or sarcastic, similar to the Randy Newman songs Rednecks and Sail Away. Does anyone know if the band members actually intended for the lyrics to be taken seriously, or if they were singing "in character" (as Newman frequently did, and as Weird Al Yankovic often does today), perhaps as a parody of stereotypical Southerners? I dunno, maybe it's just me projecting Randy Newman's songwriting style onto the band. This song seems like something he could have written, though. Also, the band isn't even from Alabama, so it does seem like satire of some sort.Stonemason89 (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Is this song based on a Howlin Wolf Track?
I have listened to the Howlin Wolf album 'Message to the Young' which appeared in 1971 and the song 'If I were a bird' sounded like Sweet Home Alabama from Lynyrd Skynyrd. Since it was recorded three years earlier I wonder if it was not 'stolen' from Howlin Wolf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Country Grammar Mix
Shouldn't there be some mention of the mix/mash-up of "Sweet Home Alabama" and Nelly's "Country Grammar"? I thought it was awesome and, more importantly, notable. Lawyer2b (talk) 19:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm from the south. The word "swamper" is used in the oil field to refer to a crew member who is there for general labor, a helper. The article says they were called "swamper" due to their "swampy" sound. I doubt that is what was actually meant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcacy00 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)