Talk:Synecdoche, New York

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Baudrillard Simulacra and Borges[edit]

The motifs section makes reference to Baurdillard's Simulacra and Simulation. To quote the article: 'A specific analogy that Baudrillard uses is a fable derived from On Exactitude in Science by Jorge Luis Borges. In it, a great Empire created a map that was so detailed it was as large as the Empire itself. The actual map was expanded and destroyed as the Empire itself conquered or lost territory. When the Empire crumbled, all that was left was the map. In Baudrillard's rendition, it is conversely the map that people live in, the simulation of reality where the people of Empire spend their lives ensuring their place in the representation is properly circumscribed and detailed by the map-makers; conversely, it is reality that is crumbling away from disuse.' I think this specific detail is very directly relevant to the plot of the movie. Should specific reference to it be added in the entry in the motifs section, or is this implied simply by mentioning Baudrillard's treatise to begin with? 99.237.8.73 (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Madeleine/Madeline Gravis?[edit]

There's a discrepancy on the page with these two names (note 2nd par. of plot section v. cast list). I just saw the movie and want to say that the correct name for the therapist is Madeline. But I haven't found specific verification - and IMBD also has her as Madeleine... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbapowell (talkcontribs) 05:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Official Sony website says Madeleine. –Pomte 01:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Verification needed?[edit]

The quote about Catherine Keener WAS verified. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.146.59.114 (talkcontribs) 20:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

You'll have to point out the passage in that link that mentions Keener, because I couldn't find it. Dancter 20:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Near the end, he takes on the character of Ellen, the cleaning lady, not the role of himself, as is currently stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.40.1.129 (talk) 17:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Information Released[edit]

Moriarty has released a review [here]. Neutralaccounting 17:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Ariel[edit]

His second daughter Ariel is retarded? I just saw the film and got no inkling this was the case. Curious as to how the author got that idea. Rockettemorton (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The Last Line of the Movie is "Dying", not "Die"[edit]

I've actually seen the movie, and that's what she says. Who keeps changing it back? That's very annoying. -UberMan5000 (talk) 06:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

well ive just saw it 5 minutes ago - and its definitely DIE not DYING —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.60.53 (talk) 01:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Saw it twice this week, and both times it was "Die". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.108.94 (talk) 00:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll have to see it again soon, to confirm the facts. Maybe it was "Dying" in the Canadian release. -UberMan5000 (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

"mimetic imitation" is an awkward phrase. "Mimesis" means "imitation" so this phrase is redundant, meaning "imitative imitation"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.42.104 (talk) 03:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately the screenplay doesn't help. It turns out Millicent telling him to die was an idea added afterward.--Loodog (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Capgras delusion[edit]

Adele is renting her apartment from a person named Capgras, an apparent reference to Capgras delusion. This should be mentioned in the article. Kylelovesyou (talk) 17:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

"Motifs" section[edit]

This entire section was without references, and the majority of it is pure original research. I went ahead and removed it for now, but here is what was removed so that it can be restored once some sources can be found. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The section apparently had references at the start of September but were removed by Benhaldenby (talk · contribs). [1] I am not familiar with the subject so I haven't checked the quality of the references or the article text, but they are there if anyone wants to restore them. Road Wizard (talk) 19:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it was referenced for the most part and most of it was actual quotes from Kaufman so I'm not sure why it was completely removed. I am in favor of it being restored. - Kylelovesyou (talk) 00:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
My apologies for not realizing this was previously sourced. I restored the section as it was before the sources were removed. There is definitely enough coverage on this matter for it to warrant inclusion, but adding even a few more sources certainly would not hurt. One thing I would suggest: take the line "Many reviewers have compared the plot to Jungian psychology.[2][3][4][5]" and expand upon what the sources in cites 3,4, and 5 had to say, as most of the subsection seems to rely mostly on the source from citation #2. It would also help to explain who is being referenced in a lot of the other sentences in the section, rather than just tacking on a footnote. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes I like it. Also should this section really be titled motifs? or is there a better name for it? Kylelovesyou (talk) 02:54, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised there is no mention of the mondegreen Synecdoche New York for Shenectedy New York which is referenced early in the film as being where Caden lives with Adele. PortfolioMind (talk) 01:17, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Citations[edit]

Neither the introduction nor the plot portions of the article have any citations. Isn't that a prerequisit for this being encyclopedic? Otherwise they're both just what some viewers think about the movie and wrote here. Pirchlogan (talk) 08:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

If what's said in the lead is later elaborated upon and cited in the main article body, then no. If written properly, the plot summary does not require citations either (see WP:FILMPLOT and WP:PSTS). - SoSaysChappy (talk) 14:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Best movie of the decade[edit]

Says Roger Ebert http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/12/the_best_films_of_the_decade.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.103.34.170 (talk) 20:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The warehouse as synecdoche of everything.[edit]

It reminds me of a striving for filling out what can be encapsulated, the work toward an 'Omega point' philosophically, but moreover I see the grant endeavor warehouse from the Mathematical universe hypothesis theory in the spectrum of physics and philosophy. Nagelfar (talk) 23:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Olive[edit]

I was researching for photographers and artists and I found this artist Irina Ionesco that photographs mainly her daughter in sexual poses as Adele does with her daughter.. is it just me or Charlie Caufman quotes her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.253.113 (talk) 15:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Harold Pinter died.[edit]

Strange. In the movie Caden notes in the paper that Harold Pinter died, but Harold Pinter didn't die until two months after this movie's release. Nagelfar (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh wait, he won the Nobel Prize.--Louiedog (talk) 18:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Maria turns German[edit]

Anyone else notice how Maria acquired a German accent after moving to Germany?--Louiedog (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)