Talk:Syria (region)

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Once, i hope you agree to my edits to the lead. I think they are reasonable and constructive. Further i would challenge your redirects from "Historic Syria" or "Syria (historic region)" to here, because in my understanding "historic" region is a strictly irredentist (nationalist) term, used for "Historic Syria", "Historic Turkey", "Historic Israel" - to emphasize the greatest period of expansion and hence claiming the peak territories in nationalist attitude. I would like to redirect all "historic" Syrias to the "Greater Syria" article, or at least disambiguate them. do you agree? Greyshark09 (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Greyshark, those are helpful edits.
As to the question of the use of the term "historical", I have a different perspective - to my mind it is not intended to suggest a nationalist perspective of "historical rights" or similar, rather that the term is only used today when referring to the region in a historical context. We do it in the Palestine article (see "This article is about the historical geographic region.") For example, noone would talk about Israel today as being in the region of Syria, but people would talk about Byzantine Palaestina Prima or Ottoman Mutasarrifate of Mount Lebanon as being in the region of Syria. How would you prefer we make that nuance clear?
As to the redirects, for the sake of simplicity could we agree to differ and send them to the disambiguation page?
Oncenawhile (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Nuances, so i assume we resolve this by making "Historic Syria" a disambig page (differing "Syria (region)" and "Greater Syria"), it that agreed?Greyshark09 (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Fine for me - i'd send them to Syria (disambiguation) which already includes both. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Case closed. Good work.Greyshark09 (talk)

Ambiguous terms[edit]

from the article:

According to the Syrian Orthodox Church, "Syrian" (sūriy سوري) used to mean "Christian" in early Christianity. In English, "Syrian" historically meant a Syrian Christian (as in, e.g., Ephraim the Syrian). Following the declaration of the Syrian Arab Republic in 1936, the term "Syrian" became to designate citizens of that state regardless of ethnicity. The adjective "Syriac" (suryāni سرياني) has come into common use since as a demonym to avoid the ambiguity of "Syrian".

Ironically, the meaning of this is ambiguous. The first sentence is attributed to a church with no citation. Who within the church says this? It then comments on the use of both an English word and an Arabic word in "early Christianity". "Early Christianity" is an extremely broad term, but I doubt that many of the very early Christians spoke English or Arabic. For example, Ephrem the Syrian was clearly a Middle Aramaic (viz "Syriac") speaker, perhaps also literate in Greek or Latin. So, we get no sense of who would be using these English and Arabic terms to refer to whom. Then we are told about the use of the English term after the founding of the modern state of Syria; but perhaps it is meant to instead imply the use of the aforementioned Arabic term in addition or instead. We are then given a different pair of English and Arabic words without being told who uses them or which concept they refer to.

Anyone with additional insight into how these terms are used would do well to clean this up a bit.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 22:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

There are two different etymologies given for the Arabic "ash-sham", as well as the same information, repeated in detail, about it not being related the son of Noah (Shem) and its distinction from Yemen. This should be rewritten with reference to a reliable source. TomS TDotO (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)