Talk:Table of Ranks

Page needs better name

Table of Ranks is a poor title for this page. First of all each title should stand alone so it should be something like Table of ranks in Imperial Russia. I don't know enough about this subject to know if this is a good title or not and I don't want to do a page move only to have to have it moved again. Second, Wiki capitalization rules on page titles is that only the first word and proper nouns are capitalized.

• Tabel o Rangakh (The Table of Ranks) is the name of the table as given by Peter I, so the capitalization is correct, as per Wiki capitalization rules. I think a more specific title would help, though - something like "Table of Ranks (Imperial Russia)" should work. [06-07-2006]
  • "Table of Ranks (Imperial Russia)" format of title is pointless. There is no other thing called Table of Ranks. Original article title restored. `'mikkanarxi 18:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Not true, in 1675, Louis instituted the ordre du tableau (Table of Ranks) making power dependent on rank and seniority (not noble birth).

Recheck a few specific titles

After I did some editing to clean up this table's appearance, I began to think it would be good for an expert to make certain I hadn't changed the proper column positions. I know very little of Peter's system and I specifically wondered about Court Councilors and Privy Councilors, which both sound to me more like court ranks than civil ranks. Thank you.

John Sinclair 09:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saltlakejohn (talk • contribs)

They were both civil ranks. The names are a bit confusing :) Bazuz (talk) 23:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I've just checked the background for надворный and it actually refers to a system of civil courts of justice (ru:Надворный суд) with jurisdiction over the lower social estates, which originated in 1719 and are similar to the reichshofrat system of the Holy Roman Empire. These courts were led by a Hofrat, a Court Concillor; this was later made into a general beaurocratic rank and survives in Austria to this day. The Privy Councillor similarily originates from Geheimrat, a German successor to the Hofrat rank. So these two titles have originated from German judicial ranks, not English court or civil ranks. I have changed the wikilinks to somehow reflect this.

BTW I made the original translations; I had to cross-translate many specialty titles from German to English, so some errors could remain and a check-up would be appreciated. --Dmitry _{(talk •contibs )} 19:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)