Talk:Tacloban

One of Tacloban's strongest^{[citation needed]} selling suit is the fact that the schools located in the city are considered some of the best within the region and the country overall. The student population of the city is approximately 41,000. Some of the schools of the city are the University of the Philippines Visayas-Tacloban College (UPVTC), University of the Philippines School of Health Sciences, St. Scholastica's College of Health Sciences(SSCHS), Philippine Science High School,Remedios Trinidad Romualdez Medical Foundation(RTRMF), Eastern Visayas State University, Leyte National High School, Leyte Normal University, Eastern Visayas College Preparatory School [EVCPS],Sto. Niño SPED Center[SNSC],St. Therese Educational Center of Leyte [STECL],Sacred Heart College [SHC],Liceo del Verbo Divino [LVD] formerly called Divine Word University [DWU],ST. Paul's Business School [SPBS], National Maritime Polytechnic, among others.

I replaced the following with pictures

Historical Sites

• Provincial Capitol of Leyte
• Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport
• Tacloban City Hall
• San Pedro Bay
• Price Mansion (CAP Building)
• Redoña Residence
• Madonna of Japan

Places of Interest

• Sto. Niño Shrine and Heritage Museum
• People's Center And Library
• San Juanico Bridge
• The Crucified Christ
• San Juanico Strait
• Family Park
• Sto. Niño Church
• Rizal Plaza (Rizal Park)

Malls and Shopping Centers

• Gaisano Tacloban
• Dynasty Square
• Kevin's
• Robinsons Malls Tacloban - Soon to open on December 2008
• Gaisano Capital Mall Tacloban - Opening soon --JinJian (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

````too many irrelevant information. The city could have highlighted interesting points in it's history, scenic spots, etc.

MORE OF TACLOBAN, PLEASE!

This article is so dry. I studied in a college there so I know Tacloban is a small but beautiful city and it has more to offer aside from those written in this article. Could somebody from Tacloban please contribute more information and some scenic pictures of Tacloban? Bornok 20 07:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed content

Accommodation

• Asia Stars Hotel
• Baluarte Beach Resort
• Casa Anson
• Casa de Tacloban
• Casa Real
• Five Stars Hotel
• Golden Key Inn
• Hotel Alejandro
• Hotel D' Angelo
• La Rica Hotel
• Leyte Park Resort Hotel
• LNU House
• Manhattan Inn
• Primrose Hotel
• Quarter House Pensione
• Rosevenil Pensionne
• Tacloban Plaza Hotel
• Vic-Mar Beach Resort
• Villa Jessica
• Village Town House
• Welcome Home Pensione

Shopping Area

• Asia Trading Supermarket and Department Store
• Dynasty Square
• Gaisano Supermarket
• Highway Supermart
• Robinsons ( future mall of the City )

and many more..

Restaurants and Cafe

• Bo's cafe
• Gloria Jean's Coffee
• Giuseppe's Restaurant
• Leyte Park Floating Restaurant
• Ocho's Seafood Restaurant
• Tempura Haus
• Luck 6 seafood restaurant
• Stephanie's Smokehaus
• Barrio Fiesta Restaurant
• San Pedro Bay reataurant
• many more to choose!

Fastfood stores

• McDonalds
• Mister Donuts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.212.66.202 (talk) 04:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
• Jolibee
• Chowking
• Greenwich
• Shakeys
• JCO
• Dunkin Doughnuts
• Elenas
• many more to choose from!
• Many more soon to open!

Telecommunications

• Smart Wireless Communication
• Globe Telecom
• Eastern Visayas Telecommunication (EVTELCO)
• Bayantel

Television Networks

• Sarraga Integrated & Management Corporation (ABC affiliated station) Channel 4
• ABS-CBN Channel 2
• National Broadcasting Network Channel 8
• GMA Network Channel 10
• Studio 23 Channel 24
• ACQ-Kingdom Broadcasting Network Channel 40

Reason: WP:NOT#GUIDE and WP:NOT#DIR. Thank you. --βritand&βeyonce <sup>(talk•contribs)</sup> 07:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

External links

I removed the external link to MyTacloban.com since it is falls under #2 of "Links normally to be avoided" section of Wikipedia:External links guideline. In particular, MyTacloban.com is a small project using a Google Maps interface to depict places in Tacloban City. The information there is unverified and the website itself is not notable. Anyone can create such a website, and so we prefer established and "authoritative" websites. According to Google, there are no authoritative/established websites linking to MyTacloban.com making the inclusion of the link to the website in Wikipedia a purely promotional reason which falls under #4 of "Links normally to be avoided" section. --seav (talk) 08:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You won't find any authoritative sites linking to anything in the smaller cities here in the provinces. So, by setting your standards so rigidly, you're reducing the amount of usable and decent material that is available. There are a few other small and pathetic sites to which I was going to link with nice collections of local photos, not run by me, not intended to promote, but to show Tacloban. --Marasbaras (talk) 09:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that's how rigid Wikipedia is. If you wanted to show photos of Tacloban, then a good fallback is Flickr. See Interesting photos tagged with "Tacloban" in Flickr. Flickr is a very popular Web 2.0 site and so linking to it is is acceptable to WP:EL. There are plenty of photo album websites that depict specific places in the Philippines. Of course we can't link to all of them so there has to be a rigid inclusion criteria, otherwise people may endlessly argue which of several non-notable photo galleries to choose from.

If you really wanted to show pictures of Tacloban, then upload them (as long as they are licensed under the GFDL or CC-BY or CC-BY-SA licenses) and include them in the Tacloban City article. That way, you don't even need to link to external web galleries. --seav (talk) 10:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't see how I could possibly upload photos since I'm nobody of note and not an authority. And then, there's the issue of verification. What authority could we trust to verify such photos? Why, anyone could take photos and upload them. Can't have that.

If the irony is lost on you, let me be more clear. I was inclined to help with the page and actually looking forward to doing so. But, your condescening tone really just puts me off. It's hilarious that a photo gallery in Flickr is acceptable while a Google mashup or a photo gallery elsewhere isn't. Some "standards" you have.

You talk about notability, verifiability, authority, etc., and yet the page had glaring errors. It still does. It's also missing a few rather significant sites, including a couple globally unique ones. I'll be good and just leave those for you to fix. You clearly don't want my help.--Marasbaras (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Anybody can upload photos just like anybody can edit the text of the articles. No authority is needed for the editors/uploaders just as long as the information and content can be verified from reliable resources. For pictures, most of them can be verified to depict the correct subject easily, so there's no problem with that. The content of external websites is not controlled by Wikipedia so we have to be quite choosy with which sites we link to. So your "ironic" comparison does not follow.

Many articles have errors, some more glaring than others. That's why people are free to correct these errors. Wikipedia is a work in progress and I don't see how the fact that the Tacloban City article has factual errors has anything to do with including the Google mashup as an external link. Just because en external website has useful information does not mean it should automatically get a link from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a web directory; we leave the web directory stuff to sites like the Open Directory Project or Tanikalang Ginto for Pinoy websites. As it says in the external links guideline: "Adding external links can be helpful to everyone, but they should be restricted to those that are most meritable, accessible and relevant to the article." I don't see how that Google mashup is meritable enough. --seav (talk) 04:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The Google mashup and your factual errors are separate topics. Try to keep up with the conversation. Regarding the factual errors, you had a link to a park in Manila. Brilliant ... your "no problem" with verification is just bluster. The irony still holds. The others, I'm going to leave for you to fix. Because clearly you know better. I'm just some idiot who lives here who goes around town taking pictures of things, talking to people, and trying to learn the history.

Regarding the Google mashup and the other non-Flickr pictures page, what makes meritable? At what point do pictures depicting the place you're trying to show become meritable? Or, pictures on maps?

By the way, I've received a lot of e-mail from people regarding that low-merit Google mashup. They think it's quite representative of the town. You know, using real pictures, GPS readings, maps ... to show the town as it is. --Marasbaras (talk) 02:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, while you're quoting rules, perhaps you should read WP:BITE. If you've read it, try reading it again. --Marasbaras (talk) 02:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

"The Google mashup and your factual errors are separate topics." Yes, but you conflated the two: "You talk about notability, verifiability, authority, etc., and yet the page had glaring errors." My talk about notability, etc., was solely about the external link. I don't know why you had to bring up the page having errors with the discussion about my removing the external link. You might be the one not keeping up with the conversation. And I really don't get why my arguing about removing just that one external link had you thinking that I, or Wikipedia, does not want your help.

"Meritable" is defined as being deserving of reward or praise. I interpret that to mean that a website (other than official websites) is quite exceptional in providing and presenting reliable information that other established third-party organizations, like mass media, feel fit to cover or mention that website, or that knowledgeable people in the field would say that the website is a great resource. While there are certainly plenty of shades of meritable-ness, a search in Google or Yahoo! shows that MyTacloban.com is clearly not meritable, yet. (In the future it may merit an external link from Wikipedia, but clearly not now.)

As for WP:BITE, yes I've read that, and I don't think I've been hostile to you. Read everything I wrote. I never once wrote that I think you're stupid, or an "idiot" or even implied it. All I've been doing is arguing about the merits of the discussion. You haven't seen me make any ad hominem arguments. Besides, when you added back that external link, you cited the External Links guidelines (even using the "WP:EL" jargon) without me linking to the guideline when I removed the external link the first time. That shows that you are not quite the newbie you imply to be when you cited WP:CITE, despite having a recently created account.

Finally, you said that you received encouraging e-mail for the Google mashup. This implies that you are involved with MyTacloban.com. This clearly falls under the conflict of interest guideline and the external links guidelines has this to say about conflict of interest: "Due to the rising profile of Wikipedia and the amount of extra traffic it can bring a site, there is a great temptation to use Wikipedia to advertise or promote sites. This includes both commercial and non-commercial sites. You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked." (Emphasis is mine.) If you really feel that the Google mashup deserves the link, then wait for other disinterested contributors to link to it. It does not appear good that the very first edit you made under the User:Marasbaras account is to place an external link. --seav (talk) 08:18, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow. Nice little flame war you've got going here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.171.91 (talk) 18:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Pictures/Splitting

This is article is loaded with pictures in relation to Pintados-Kasadyaan Festival and Sangyaw Festival; should we create a separate article for such festivals??? Kevin (talk) 10:20, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The article should be splitted so that the cultural festivals will have their own articles distinct from the host city. Other articles regarding the host city in the Philippines and cultural festivals have been splitted or were created separately.

1. Cebu City ---> Sinulog
2. Iloilo City ---> Dinagyang
3. Davao City ---> Kadayawan
4. Bacolod City ---> Masskara
5. Baguio City ---> Panagbenga Festival --Dihamsal (talk) 00:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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Pintados-Kasadyaan/Sangyaw

Hi. The cultural traditions part of the article is relatively long compared to other aspects of the city. I have not completely eliminated the cultural references but rather direct the readers into the new articles Pintados-Kasadyaan and Sangyaw. These two festivals are distinct from each other.

These cultural festivals are only celebrated two days in a year and form only a fraction of the over-all culture of its inhabitants. These festivals actually include participants from other cities and municipalities as well. While worth mentioning in the article of Tacloban regarding these festivals, it does not warrant writing full articles regarding these festivals inside the article of the host city.

Right now these two articles may be stubs they will hopefully grow into full articles just like the other Philippine festivals. Other articles for similar festivals and host cities in the Philippines are separated as mentioned in Talk:Tacloban City. Proper labelling for splitting has been done as provided for Wikipedia:Splitting#Procedure.

If there is any copyright violation despite the reference [The text about Pintados-Kasadyaan Festival is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License.], I already corrected it in Pintados-Kasadyaan article. Please see revision history of Pintados-Kasadyaan regarding the tagging and removal of copy violations. I hope the issue will be resolved soon. Feel free to discuss things with me especially with regards to my compliance of Wikipedia policies. Thanks CC:User talk:Drmies#Tacloban--Dihamsal (talk) 05:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The listing has come due at WP:CP, and I see it's already completed. Thanks for clearing out the section. :) I've added the {{cclean}} template to this page just to help avoid inadvertent restoration. --Moonriddengirl <sup>(talk)</sup> 15:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Economy

Hi! I just removed the following from main article and transferred it to here.

"And Tacloban is one of the less poverty rate cities in the Philippines."

I'm from Tacloban and I agree with your statement. However please see WP:BURDEN. Thanks --Dihamsal (talk) 22:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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<Cityname> <City>

There is a discussion regarding the removal of the word "city" from the article names of Philippine cities. This may imminently affect the article name for Tacloban. For city names which are not unique, disambiguation alternatives are also being presented. Formal request for page move may follow after a reasonable time of discussion. If you wish to participate, please post your comments here. --JinJian (talk) 03:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 21:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

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Tacloban City → Tacloban — Part of series of multiple page move requests involving Philippine cities under the category General rule -> eliminate the word “city” from the name of the Philippine cities except those needing disambiguation. This request is made after preliminary discussions for the removal of the word "city" from most of the article titles of Philippine cities and providing disambiguation wherever necessary. Some disambiguation may involve using the <cityname>, <provincename> format, regardless if it is highly urbanized, independent or component cities. In here, <provincename> purports to describe the general area and not necessary as the mother political unit of the city, since some people might have wrongly believed that this naming convention is exclusively for Philippine towns only. For more information please see Wikipedia_talk:Tambayan_Philippines/Task_force_LGU#Article_names_for_Philippine_cities:_.3Ccityname.3E_.3Ccity.3E. JinJian (talk) 07:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

• Dagupan City → Dagupan
• Ormoc City → Ormoc
• Antipolo City → Antipolo
• Bayawan City → Bayawan
• Biñan City → Biñan
• Bislig City → Bislig
• Cabanatuan City → Cabanatuan
• Calapan City → Calapan
• Calbayog City → Calbayog
• Candon City → Candon
• Canlaon City → Canlaon
• Dapitan City → Dapitan
• Dasmariñas City → Dasmariñas
• Digos City → Digos
• Dipolog City → Dipolog
• Dumaguete City → Dumaguete
• Gingoog City → Gingoog
• Himamaylan City → Himamaylan
• Iriga City → Iriga

• Support for the numerous reasons I have stated over the years. See the linked discussion page in the proposal for details. --seav (talk) 00:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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