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Progressive?[edit]

"Tallahassee has traditionally been a politically progressive city. It has voted Democratic throughout its history."

Then it seems like it should say it has always been a Democratic city. The Progressive Movement was a movement among both Democratic and Republican parties. Before that, the support of slavery by the Democratic Party hardly seems like it would qualify as "Progressive".69.141.68.106 19:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Why the capital?[edit]

Why is Tallahassee the capital of Florida and not e.g. Miami, as one could assume? 82.83.12.207 00:13, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Because back when it became the territorial capital, the only towns worth mentioning in the state were Pensacola and Saint Augustine, so the capital was placed roughly equidistant travel time between them (IIRC). (Of course, that's already in the article, so I could have saved the typing. ;) ) - Aerobird 00:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I was told a story in Boy Scouts as a child that when they were trying to decide where the capitol should be, like the above person mentioned the only two cities/colonies worth mentioning were Pensacola and St. Augustine. So in the story I was told they had riders start from both cities and ride toward each other and where ever they encountered each other is where the capitol would be. And for some reason that ended up being a Native American settlement in the area of Tallahasse. I do not know if this is true. I actually came to this article to see if there was any truth about it but have not seen any mention of it. - GZUS96 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.51.11.2 (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Also: Florida at one time was just the panhandle area. Below that was all Spanish territory. Tallahassee is in the middle of the panhandle Marc Averette (talk) 19:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

FSU[edit]

An anonymous user used this in justifying the removing of some information: History of FSU is misleading... it was all-male at first before becoming co-ed, before becoming all female, before becoming coed again . Simpler to keep that detail out.

Shouldn't this new information be verified and placed in the article?

--Ram-Man 02:31, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)

Photos[edit]

Regarding the photo request, I can look into getting a photo of the capitol complex and the skyline from, say, Pensacola Street. It'll be in a few weeks, though. TrbleClef 03:16, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I added a photo of the Florida State Capital Building. JeffreyAllen1975 16:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Great photo! I moved it down a bit, since I think the general style convention is to put the infobox first. --JW1805 (Talk) 17:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

External links in main article...[edit]

All those external links in the "Education" section strike me as a little odd; shouldn't those be links to Wiki pages (red or otherwise)?


Extend[edit]

For an article about a city, this is not very long. Consider extending it. Krashlandon 17:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Collections[edit]

I moved these image collection links from the 'external links' section to here. Listed on the page, it really borders on linkspam, but I think having them listed here could be useful as a reference. Dr. Cash 17:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Harper Collection 1,300 images of Tallahasseans and the Tallahassee area, 1884-1911. From the State Library & Archives of Florida.
  • Granger Collection 1,650 images of Tallahassee and surrounding areas, 1940s-1950s. From the State Library & Archives of Florida.
  • Red Kerce Collection 800 images of historical people and places in Tallahassee and the surrounding area from 1940-1964. From the State Library & Archives of Florida.

hospitals[edit]

Is there allowed to be a section on hospitals, or are city templates only allowed certain sections? I'd like to add info in for TMH, Capital Regional, and FSU Med school. SWATJester Flag of Iceland.svg Ready Aim Fire! 22:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

New map[edit]

Er...the county highlighted in the statewide map is not Leon, but rather Madison... - Aerobird 03:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

How embarrassing is that? It's fixed now. astiqueparervoir 13:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, we don't like them Madison boys out here! (especially because that county is one of the biggest highway speeding-traps in the state, if not the US.) SWATJester Flag of Iceland.svg Ready Aim Fire! 16:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
It's because of all those Bridges in Madison County. groan astiqueparervoir 19:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
That's a new one on me; never had any problems or heard anything about Madison's sheriffs being particulary radar-gun-trigger happy. (Now Waldo and Hawthorne, on the other hand...) - Aerobird 03:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

no not the sheriffs...it's the highway cops. You can't go on I10 through madison without seeing the cutouts in the median for them to speed trap you from. SWATJester Flag of Iceland.svg Ready Aim Fire! 04:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


Chiles High School[edit]

Removed Chiles H.S. from this page as it's outside the city limits by a good ways. Technically this is a correct move but for those living in Tally - I would think most actually consider the county as Tallahassee since there are no other municipalities here. USA Noles1984 14:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I reinserted it. Even though it is not technically a part of the city, it is most closely associated with the Tallahassee. Maybe it should just be noted that way. official webpage even says "Tallahassee" on the top of the page. AriGold 15:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, there's been yap lately that Tallahassee might be considering consolidation with Leon County, a la Jacksonville/Duval County, which would make both Bradfordville ('proper' home of Chiles H.S.) and Woodville simply neighborhoods of Tally... - Aerobird 16:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I'll agree with your above statement on Chiles, Aerobird. I think I can swallow consolidation now since the city is handling the sewer system where I live as pitiful as it is. USA Noles1984 16:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
It should stay inserted. While techinically outside of city limits, Tallahassee public schools are run by the county, and Chiles is part of the county school system. I disagree with saying that the school is located in 'neighboring Bradfordville', as I've always been convinced that Bradfordville is as much a section of town as is Killearn, downtown, the campuses, etc. There is no 'town' of Bradfordville.
In the above you mention "Tallahassee public schools..." The schools are administered by Leon County so therefore there are no Tallahassee schools. Secondly you state "I've always been convinced that Bradfordville is as much a section of town as is Killearn, downtown, the campuses, etc. There is no 'town' of Bradfordville."
True, there is no town of Bradfordville but Bradfordville is not "a section of town." Academically and legally it is unincorporated and not a part of Tallahassee. 25px|USA Noles1984 15:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Tallahassee Flag[edit]

User:Angr removed the City of Tallahassee's flag with no explanation. I have returned it until there is a valid reason for initial removal.25px|USA Noles1984 16:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

That flag is not the actual flag. We got a new city flag. I don't know how to post stuff, but I'll send a link over and you can put it up. Tlhcubsjaz 06:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Expanded Tallahassee history[edit]

I'm currently putting together a compreshensive History of Tallahassee with photos for submission in the near future. Some may want to expand on this article prior to - which can be done at Tallahassee, Florida/Sandbox. It needs to be somewhat completed up through current years before posting. I'm still working on the Tallahassee Bus Boycott and old Tallahassee hotels for interest. 25px|USA Noles1984

Newsweek high school rankings[edit]

I have removed this information from the article because all of the rankings were outdated, and did not match the list for 2006. These rankings change every year, and any reference to them must be carefully referenced, and stated to make clear which year's list is being used. It would be best to not list individual school rankings in this article; It looks tacky. I would also note that the 2006 Newsweek list includes 1100 schools, up from 1000 in 2004 (I haven't located the 2005 list). -- Donald Albury(Talk) 11:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Notable residents?[edit]

I see that Burt Reynolds was just added to the list of Notable residents of Tallahassee. I'm uncomfortable listing someone as a notable resident of Tallahassee when the only time they spent in Tallahassee was as a student at FSU. Any other thoughts? -- Donald Albury(Talk) 23:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Students should indeed be counted as residents, imho. Some students live in their college town for as many as 8-9 years (because of grad school or apathy ;-) ). There is no reason to exclude someone who lived in a certain town for education. It's no different than someone moving to a town for work for a couple of years. My only concern is with listing athletes from FSU or FAMU, as the list would grow to be huge. AriGold 13:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it can be taken too far. Take Burt, for example. Born in Lansing, Michigan, raised in Riviera Beach, Florida, attended high school in West Palm Beach, attended FSU, had to drop out for a while because of an injury and attended Palm Beach Junior College in Lake Worth (I've seen photos from the 1950s of him in plays at the Lake Worth Playhouse), returned to FSU, worked in theater in upstate New York and in New York city, went to Hollywood, California, of course, has spent years at his ranch in Jupiter, Florida, and who knows where else. So, how many different cities, towns, whatever, get to claim Burt Reynolds as a resident? -- Donald Albury(Talk) 00:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I've been a resident of many cities. I don't understand how someone's celebrity status can be used as means of limiting where they have been a resident. Because they are famous then we are to hold their place of residency to a different standard? I don't know, it seems weird to me. Like you're trying to label a certain person to make things easier almost. This isn't a month long vacation we're talking about. If you live somewhere for school, for a signifigant duration or years, you're a resident. It seems pretty simple to me. By the time you die, you could have been a resident of dozens of cities, states, countries, etc. AriGold 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

New history article[edit]

Most of the history of Tallahassee was moved to a massive History of Tallahassee, Florida article which I created so that it could be expanded upon correctly and in depth. Noles1984 20:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Events moved, Urban Planning and Expansion moved[edit]

I moved the section Festivals and events up to under points of interset for a better flow or read. I moved Urban Planning and Expansion since it's technical in nature and other cities have demographics where that section was. Noles1984 17:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Sports teams[edit]

What happened to the Tigersharks? - Aerobird 14:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The Tigersharks were moved to Macon, Ga. They became the Macon Whoopi, this was back around 2000. They have since moved from there and have joined the defucnt ECHL teams. Smarter fans moved on to the Tampa Bay Lightning. Asatruar (talk) 01:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I was wondering if anyone from Tally that would like to help me with the creation of a Tallahassee scorpion page? Asatruar (talk) 00:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed internal links[edit]

Links to Leon County Emergency Service, FAMU Police etc. were not links to specific articles on those subjects but rather to general internal links like Police, etc. Emergency Services. Noles1984 15:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The Infinity software reference is the top of the section should be removed. Infinity is not a major corporation, they certainly do not in any way define Tallahassee, and I don't even believe they are the largest IT provider in Tallahassee.

In a nutshell, no one does, nor should they, think of Infinity Software when they think of Tallahassee.

I'm sure it's a fine company, but come on, that's as close to advertising as I've seen on wiki.

Lost episodes[edit]

I found some references (quotations) on the web. Last episode was transcribed from DVD and is completely accurate. Noles1984 16:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

external links, residents, pop culture.[edit]

the external links is looking like a link repository. some of that stuff just seems unnecessary, like the "tallybars" site. the things to do site, national civic league, etc. i think it should be cleaned up. if these are going to stay i'd like to add the site that i administer, tallahasseeshows.org

i feel that the list of notable residents is kind of crazy, and should probably be limited to those born here. and the pop culture references are just kind of embarrassing and not needed.

Tallahassee in pop culture[edit]

I moved the section to its own article Tallahassee in popular culture because it was getting large and cumbersome. It has been reorganized with sections to be more easily read. Noles1984 20:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Music groups as "Notable Residents"[edit]

Does it bother anyone else that there are several music groups listed as "notable residents"? It would seem more logical, to me, to either list the notable muscicians from the groups individually, or to make a new category such as "Notable Local Performing Groups". Tim Ross 12:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Tallahassee notables[edit]

(copied from User Talk:Dalbury)

Sorry, Dalbury, but I just undid your latest Tallahassee revision. In my opinion, having your own Wikipedia article is not the only suitable measure of notability, just a good first check. In fact, some rather non-notable folks have them, and some notable one, the various easily checked Olympic athletes on the list for instance, don't have articles. Marion Tinsley did have one, but without the "Dr.". I checked all the Olympians. They're legitimate. Tim Ross·talk 22:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I still say the best indicator that someone is notable enough to be listed as a 'notable resident' is to have their own article. It is not enough that someone's existence is verifiable. If we are going to call someone 'notable', then Wikipedia:Notability should apply, and it is a bit awkward establishing notability in a footnote to a 'notable resident' who doesn't have a WP article. -- Donald Albury 22:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, I suppose that all Olympic athletes can be fit into Wikipedia:Notability. Thus, someone could legitimately write an article for each saying, basically, that such a person completed in certain events, at a certain Olympics, with certain specified results. It doesn't make a lot of sense, though to require this for the Tallahassee listing unless you feel that some Olympic athletes are not notable. By the way, do you know if circular references, back to Wikipedia, qualify as "reliable sources"? Tim Ross·talk 23:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Whether a given individual (or the subject of any article, for that matter) meets the criteria of WP's notability guidelines is ultimately subject to a consensus of editors, often decided at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion (if an article has not been nominated for deletion, then no one has seriously questioned the notability of the subject). Notability for some subjects has been reduced to a set of criteria (see Wikipedia:Notability (music)). The notability quideline for people (Wikipedia:Notability (people)) requires substantial coverage of the person from independent sources. There is no provision that someone who has won a particular prize or event qualifies for an article in WP. As to your last question, Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. Reliable third-partysources cited in WP articles may be cited in other articles, as long as it has been verified that the cited sources support the material in question.
I believe your argument is faulty, Dalbury. Yes, one certainly is supposed to have reliable secondary sources in a biographical article to demonstrate, among other things, "sufficient coverage" to meet the notability specification. The Tallahassee article, however, is not a biographical one, and I don't believe that the listing of notable individuals in that article has to meet that specific standard. It is your personal definition, alone, which is the sticking point, that one should not be on that list in the Tallahassee article without a personal biographical article. I believe, for example, that the fact of having one's own article is sufficient grounds for consideration for the list, but that the article editors might justifiably wish to exclude some such individuals from the list if their local notability were negligible. Conversely, many important individuals, in a local sense, have no Wikipedia articles, but may be appropriate for the Tallahassee article. The Olympic athletes in question are a perfect example. One should be following a consensus of editors on this point, not the biographic notability requirment. In any case, I intend to replace the deleted Olympians, including an appropriate reference to their existence and achievements, which I hope you will find satisfactory. Tim Ross·talk 11:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Verifiability, everything in WP articles must be verifiable, and anything that is challenged or likely to be challenged must have reliable published sources cited. Therefore, if I challenge whether someone is a notable resident of a place, then citations to reliable sources that such person is notable and is a resident/former resident must be provided. In practice, editors have been accepting the existence of a WP article about someone as establishing notability. So, either create an article for each person you want in the list, or cite enough reliable sources for each person to establish reliability and residency. -- Donald Albury 11:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
May I point out, Dalbury, that your issue was with Wikipedia:Notability, not Wikipedia:Verifiability? I note, also, that your "challenge" on that topic consisted of deleting anything that didn't meet your standard, rather than initiating a discussion on Talk:Tallahassee, Florida, which might have been a better option, and, indeed, might be the right place for this discussion. Tim Ross·talk 12:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
When I deleted the unsourced 'notable residents', I suggested creating properly sourced articles about them. Notability is established by citing reliable sources, as the requirement for everything added to WP is verifiability. You cannot discuss notability without invoking verifiability. -- Donald Albury 12:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
In any case, I've re-added the three Tallahassee-associated Olympians, with refs to their accomplishments and Tallahassee connections. My apologies if any of my comments sounded grumpy. Not intended. Tim Ross·talk 13:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Governors as "Notable residents"[edit]

Florida governors are, of course, notable. They also live in Tallahassee for a while. Thus, we could put all of them on the list of the city's notable residents if we wished. I don't think it would be especially worthwhile to fill the list with politicians who were in the city only while in office. For that reason, I am going to go through the ones now on the list and remove those with no other connection to the city than during their gubernatorial residency. Ruben Askew attended FSU, Leroy Collins was born in Tallahassee, and Lawton Chiles was an FSU research fellow. I can't find any good connections for Bob Graham or Claude Kirk. Tim Ross (talk) 16:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Economy[edit]

Can someone give some economic detail? As there is not any. --Abdulha (talk) 15:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Abdulha

This is a good point. The topic really only shows up in the third paragraph of the introduction. And, what is said there seems more like a random set of statements about a few of the local business interests. I think this would make more sense if that paragraph were to be removed from the intro, and developed into a reasonably inclusive section dealing with local business and economics. I have no expertise on the topic, but perhaps some more knowledgeable person would be willing to give it a try. Tim Ross (talk) 19:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Elevation[edit]

I changed the elevation figures to match the data in the USGS GNIS for 'Tallahassee (populated place)', ID 308416, 62 m - 203 ft. The GNIS also lists 'City of Tallahassee' (ID 2405563) with an elevation of 37 m - 121 ft. Note that the 'Tallahassee Commercial Airport' (ID 309908) has an elevation of 44 m - 144 ft., and the 'Tallahassee Regional Airport' (ID 309909) has an elevation of 18 m - 59 ft. Now I don't care much whether we use 'Tallahassee (populated place)' or 'City of Tallahassee' for the data in the info box, but we need to keep it consistent, i.e., elevation, coordinates, GNIS ID. -- Donald Albury 11:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Tallahassee population[edit]

The population figures given in this article, both in the opening paragraph and the infobox, seem to have been subjected to a good deal of random manipulation. I've just revised them to what I think are the official numbers, and added refs. At least they now match those given in Tallahassee, Florida Metropolitan Statistical Area. Tim Ross (talk) 12:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

As of this date, the Tallahassee population figures have, once again, been modified, without any referenced justification. I've replaced those values by the ones in the stated official references. I further note that the graphic presentation "Historical populations" under "Demographics" seem quite unsupported by the one general reference provided. It is my intention to delete that graphic in the near future unless we can come up with some decent, referenced, support for the numbers being presented. Tim Ross (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

(The following discussion is taken from my talk page. Tim Ross (talk) 14:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC):)

Dear Tim Ross. I have been changing the Tallahassee Florida population to the correct digits. You are changing them wrong. Here is proof that my edits to the wikipedia population is the CORRECT TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA POPULATION http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/popm00/pcbsa45220.html

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kueldude (talkcontribs) 22:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello Kueldude. You are, I believe, confusing the population of the City of Tallahassee (see the article's first reference, here) which calls up an Excel spreadsheet for the 2007 US Census, showing a population of 168,979) with that of the "Tallahassee Metropolitan Area", which covers much more than just the city, and for which the 2008 population is estimated by Texas A&M, here, as 357,259.
Your latest edit, here, claims, quite falsely, that the U.S. Census number for 2008 is 357,259. It is not, and, in fact, I do not believe that the data for that year are even available. In any case, the reference applies to the 2007 census and the value of 168,979. Equally false is your claim that the A&M site shows a Tallahassee Metropolitan Area population of 425,309. As noted above, that figure is 357,259, so your source for the 425,309 remains unknown.
The basic issue here, Kueldude, does not involve two editors arguing about who is right and who is wrong. That is the usual order of business at Wikipedia. It does involve what seems like falsification - in this instance, as noted above, you are claiming that reliable third parties such as the USCensus and TexasA&M are the source of your numbers, when, actually, they are not.
I will, shortly, revert your edits for these reasons. It would be a good idea to have some clear support in the form of good citations if you wish to make further changes to the population figures for Tallahassee.
I will be happy to converse further with you about any of these matters. Tim Ross (talk) 13:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Historical Populations table[edit]

I have, regretfully, removed the "Historical populations" table from the Demographics section.The sole reference for the data there has been the U.S. Census of Population and Housing, basically all the output of the U.S. Census, and this is far too general to allow the facts to be readily checked. I have, however, done so for the most recent values and found these to be unrelated to what the table shows. It would be valuable to have a table of this sort, showing the growth of the city since its early days, including proper references, but this is not it. Tim Ross (talk) 10:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Population estimates[edit]

I have a problem with 'sources' that give population figures for a city without saying when the figure applies, or where they came from. The US Census Bureau apparently has not issued a population estimate for Tallahassee since 2007. Sometimes universities or government agencies will issue population estimates, but they usually provide explanations of how the estimates were developed. I don't trust 'sources' that seem to pull population estimates out of thin air. Some sources of population estimates may be inflating figures to push some agenda. -- Donald Albury 01:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The Notable Residents section[edit]

Has anyone else observed that the notable residents section is beginning to get fairly long? It's not really out of hand, yet, in my opinion, but more and more notable FAMU and FSU alums are appearing. If all of the notable alumni from these local colleges were added, this section could overwhelm the rest of the article.

I would like to suggest that the notables section of the Tallahassee article provide links to those college notable lists, rather than including the individuals in both the college and Tallahassee lists.

Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Tim Ross (talk) 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Also, some other city articles do not include a list of residents. See Jacksonville, Florida, for example. People who were/are natives of Jacksonville or long-term residents have been moved to List of people from Jacksonville, Florida. As a general principal, long lists do not belong in regular articles; that is why we have list articles. -- Donald Albury 10:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. A List of people from Tallahassee, Florida would certainly clean up the FAMU, FSU, and Tallahassee articles, that is, as long as the supporters of the individual schools would accept the idea of combining the lists. Maybe there is some reasonable way to tag some names in the list as being connected to an individual school, to preserve that bit of information and school pride. Actually, that shouldn't be very difficult to do. Tim Ross (talk) 17:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'm dubious about lists of 'notable residents' in city articles. I think they look like a contest to see how many notable people can be claimed, however tenuously, as being from the city. However, I am not on a campaign to eliminate such lists. My preference would be to keep the lists of alumni separate, and to include university alumni on the city list only if the person has some notable connection to the city other than attending one of the universities, i.e. born and/or raised in Tallahassee, stayed on after graduation for a considerable period, or was involved in notable activities in the city outside of the university environment. -- Donald Albury 22:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I see your point, Donald, and don't really disagree, but am not sure that one could, practically, distinguish among residents of the city who are there only for one of the colleges, and those with another connection. That sort of information is often not available in the articles. Also, one's presence in the city may be meaningful, even if the only reason for being there has been because of one of the colleges. One might, just as logically, exclude those in the area because of the functions of the state government. I agree with you, that this kind of list can be, and often is, a way of bragging, resulting in editors trying to add as many names as possible. It's hard to see how to control that beyond the necessary fact checking. Tim Ross (talk) 10:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I was just stating a preference. I did not expect much agreement with my opinion, and am not prepared to fight for it. I just hope that others who may join this discussion understand what I'm getting at. -- Donald Albury 10:44, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

"Hilly"[edit]

I changed the wording of a sentence in the Geography and Climate section from "Tallahassee is noted for its hilly terrain" to "Tallahassee's terrain is hilly by Florida standards." After all, just a couple of sentences later, it mentions that elevation ranges from sea level to 200 feet above. I know that's hilly compared to most of Florida, but in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty flat. For example, I live in Oakland, California - we have hills more than 1700 feet above sea level. Jcb9 (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

    Well you're not in Florida. Try thinking next time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.78.238.142 (talk) 03:51, 7 August 2013 (UTC) 

Notable residents section[edit]

I think it might be wise to split this section off into its own article. It's beginning to take up quite a bit of room and the separate article would create the opportunity to add info about their individual involvement with the city. --Leodmacleod (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

School lists[edit]

The extensive list of public and private schools in Tallahassee was pared down several months ago to just the universities and colleges "per WP:USCITY guidelines". This did help clean up the article, but also seemed to remove some relatively important information. The guidelines in question include: "Provide information on notable public and private schools in the city, as well as any colleges and universities that might be present" and "Do NOT list all the schools in a city unless this is a very short list." I believe that we have followed the 2nd part of the guidance a little too well, at the expense of the 1st part. Most of the area's upper level schools are both notable in a Wikipedia sense, and are locally well-known and often referenced. For this reason, I have replaced the listing of high schools, while continuing to leave out the lower level schools. To me, this seems to be a reasonable compromise. Tim Ross (talk) 15:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

Flag of Tallahassee, Florida really should be merged into the main article, I think, seeing as it's merely a one-paragraph stub and isn't likely to get much bigger. - The Bushranger (talk) 02:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox date[edit]

Question: Why is there no info (in the side box description) on when Tallahassee was founded or incorporated as other cities have?Rahiim03 (talk) 05:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahiim03 (talkcontribs) 05:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

It is inputted in the infobox, I can't see why it's not showing if it's supposed to.--Cúchullain t/c 12:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

File:Hanging chad.jpg / Election 2000; Man counts punch card ballot in disputed 2000 Presidential election[edit]

The photo of the gentleman paying close attention to a punchcard appears to be misrepresented. For whatever reason the depicted gentleman is in the process of modeling a clay hand holding one of the infamous punchcards, note the carving tool in his hand and pieces of clay on the work surface.

The image should be removed entirely or replaced with an image which matches the current desription —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.161.55 (talk) 02:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 23:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


Tallahassee, FloridaTallahassee — "Tallahassee" already redirects here. Why not just simply call the page "Tallahassee" instead of "Tallahassee, Florida"? Just like Detroit, Minneapolis, and Milwaukee don't include the name of the state because they're so well-known, so should Tallahassee. It would greatly enhance our readers' Wikipedia experience by simplifying. --Krauseaj

I see the point. There would not be any real chance of confusion, and some simplification would result. Tim Ross (talk) 19:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I also concur. When a "simple" page redirects to a "disambiguated" page, often as not it should be the other way round. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
  • I also Support. "Tallahassee" is clearly the the most common name used to refer to this topic and it is clearly the primary topic for this name. The current wording of the guideline that indicates how articles about U.S. cities are titled expressly limits the cities that are not supposed to be disambiguated with state to the so-called "AP list". However, the inclination to unnecessarily disambiguate article titles seems to be falling out of favor lately, and that guideline is currently in dispute (and, so, arguably does not apply as it apparently no longer reflects consensus). There is a discussion about changing it here. As someone so aptly just posted there earlier today, "Titles which are not ambiguous shouldn't be disambiguated—it can't be any simpler than that.". Moving this article to its unique name at Tallahassee also brings it into compliance with the general naming conventions at WP:TITLE, in terms of the proposed title being more concise than the current title, and precise, but no more precise than necessary (the current title is more precise than necessary). --Born2cycle (talk) 22:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose - WP:PLACE calls for U.S. cities to be titled "City, State" unless the AP Stylebook says that a state disambiguator is not required. This is not the case with Tallahassee. Dough4872 02:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose The current name is fine and is consistent with the naming convention for US cities.   Will Beback  talk  09:08, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose As several others noted, the name "Tallahassee, Florida" is how the current guidelines for U.S. cities say it should be listed. Those guidelines are currently under discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names), but unless and until consensus is reached there to list cities such as Tallahassee without the state, this move should not be made. --MelanieN (talk) 17:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Support as unqualified name already redirects here. Any additions to the name are unnecessary. --Polaron | Talk 07:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose per guideline at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names) which works fine. --Doncram (talk) 14:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose There is an extensive debate at WT:Naming conventions (geographic names) over just what the guideline should be. Therefore, I think there should be a moratorium on all place name moves until we come to some sort of resolution or detente on the current convention.DCmacnut<> 15:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Support. The name is entirely unambiguous obviously a primary topic, and the rfc about names only demonstrates a lack of consensus for the idea that we should always use "City, State." john k (talk) 15:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
    • NB. Tallahassee is clearly not entirely unambiguous. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
      • Fair enough, and I've amended, but the other uses are entirely desultory - an unincorporated community in Georgia with a population of 32, an album by the Mountain Goats named for the Florida city, some naval vessels named for the Florida city, and a character in a movie named for the Florida city. It is obviously a primary topic. john k (talk) 20:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose per the guideline. Why break something that is not broken. The guideline prevents endless wars over what is the primary use and provides a very predictable name which is something that is a good thing in an encylopedia. When names appear to use random formatting, it confuses readers. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
    • The guideline enables endless wars about whether to make exceptions to the guideline in cases like this one where there clearly would not be any wars about what is the primary use. The argument that the current guideline prevents "endless wars" is laughable, given that we are endlessly warring about it. john k (talk) 20:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The US city guideline is already a mess with the "exceptions". Adding more "exceptions" is not helpful. AgneCheese/Wine 00:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose per reasons stated above re: guidelines and standard practice. There is no point in making another ad hoc exception to the guidelines. -- Donald Albury 00:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
  • oppose There is no valid reason offerred for renaming this. US cities in general require disambiguation as many are named the same as other US or international cities. This is just a disruptive waste of time to have to deal with each of these.

Hmains (talk) 05:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Deb (talk) 13:15, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- This is not a logical reason to change the name. What's the point? It returns either way. For god sake you could be talking about the Zombieland charector. Keep it as is. GatorSlayerFSU (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC).
  • Oppose - no good reason for this move, and plenty of good reasons to follow the convention. Jonathunder (talk) 23:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose - For the aforementioned reasons. If anything, "Tallahassee" should be a disambiguation page. --Ebyabe (talk) 23:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose; there is no consensus to overturn the long-standing precedent. Powers T 20:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose It's the capitol of the State! Alanscottwalker (talk) 00:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
    Um, so? We don't have Paris, France. john k (talk) 00:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Support: This is the only "Tallahassee" in the world.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose The city may be the only "Talahasee" in world, but that's hardly the issue. Is it well known enough to be called by only its "First name" as opposed to "First name", "Family name", as New York and Paris are? The answer to that is "no". There's no good reason here to break the convention. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
    • Very few cities in the world are as well known as Paris or New York are, yet the Wikipedia articles for most of them, if they have unambiguous names, are at their most concise and natural names. For example, how many of these cities and towns in Lower Austria are as well known as Paris and New York? Tallahassee is much better known than probably all of them, especially in the English speaking world to which this encyclopedia caters, yet it needs to be at the "Family Name", and these Austrian places do not? Where is the consistency? Where is the good reason to break the most fundamental convention by which almost all Wikipedia articles (not just non-U.S. cities) are named: use the most concise natural name of the topic that is available. That is, don't be overprecise. "Tallahassee, Florida" is overprecise. That's the good reason to move it to the more concise Tallahassee. --Born2cycle (talk) 08:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The current name works fine, and there is no reason to break a convention which provides stable and unambiguous names for American cities. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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Large reversion[edit]

I just rolled back 14 edits by an editor. There were numerous errors in links introduced throughout the edits, and many links and attempted links to topics that are, at best, peripheral to this article. The article is already bloated with links to marginally related topics. -- Donald Albury 10:26, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

  • My goodness, Mr. Albury, I did not know that you were the owner of this page! I though Wiki pages were open to anyone who wished to add relevant, accurate information to an article. I am the editor that added the 14 edits you removed. I worked hard on these edits and would have appreciated being notified prior to removal. The reason for the edits: I am a frequent visitor to Asheville, NC and while there recently I visited their Wiki page. After doing so I visited Tallahassee's page and found it quite lacking. While the Tallahassee history and statistics section is seems to be thorough enough, the page does reflect the changes in Talla during the past few years - including the increase in activities and things to do. The page contains old information or information that is unimportant to a reader...such as the list of included "notable" local rock bands...most of which were dissolved long ago. The information about the Tiger Sharks. and sports teams that have dismantled...I wonder how this information is useful to anyone seeking to learn about our city? In the meanwhile, there was no information regarding Tallahassee's movement towards sustainability, or becoming a music and cultural destination, nor any infomation regarding our wide variety of outdoor and recreational activities. There are thousands of folks here who participate in the many sports and recreational activities beyond FSU and FAMU football, and the outdoors is an important component of life here. To me, all of this information is relevant to portraying the city of Tallahassee as it exists today. For example, our Senior Centor is a great success story and is visited frequently by officials from other cities, yet it isn't even mentioned. Nor are the "Florida Senior Games' which are now in their third year. There is no mention of any of the long established spsorts groups that have a large membership, such as Capital Cicy Cyclists or ATAC or the long running events such as "Market Days", now in it's 30th year and attracting artists and visitors from the southeast. Regarding topics that are "peripheral" to this article, well, I thought that Wikipedia is available to be edited by anyone with an interest and accurate information, so I am wondering how one person can determine what is "peripheral" to an article. In order to more reflect the incrasing vibrancy of our city I would like to re-add this information with the appropriate accurate links. Regarding the "bloat" in the article, I would like to re-remove the references to rock bands and sports teams that are no longer in existence. Once I add the updated information with accurate links, I would request that you consider looking at the page with a new eye and allowing this information to remain? I would appreciate it. And please let's "talk" about any disagreement before you delete information. Thank you. Kathydonald (talk) 05:29, 28 October 2011 (UTC)Kathy Donald— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathydonald (talkcontribs) 05:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I do not own this page. I do keep it on my watchlist. Articles in Wikipedia are a collaborative effort. The goal is for many different editors to mold the article into something useful and reliable by bringing their different perspectives to it and (eventually) reaching a consensus as to what the article should say and how to say it. Part of the process is what is known as the "be bold, revert, discuss cycle". Anyone can add or modify anything in an article. Any other editor can then revert or modify what the previous editor has done. The next appropriate step is to discuss the material in question here on the talk page. Consensus on what should be in an article and how it should be expressed and organized, is reached when either the text in an article has not be modified in a while, or an explicit consensus has been reached by editors expressing a view on the talk page. You have taken the correct step in the process by opening this discussion here. We now need to wait some reasonable time to see if other editors wish to discuss this. -- Donald Albury 12:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
This is on my watchlist as well, and I might well have undone the changes too. Anyone could have; that's the nature of Wikipedia. It is good that discussion is taking place. Some of the info is appropriate. If anything, though, the local attractions can be trimmed. I'd advocate eliminating the "nearby" attractions, as that's a relative term. Chattahoochee, for example, is on the west side of Gadsden County, practically in Jackson County. To me, this article isn't that awful compared to the Ashville one. That's my thoughts. --Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 14:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The article could be a lot better, but it could also be a lot worse. I was planning on selectively trimming the 'new additions', rather than wholesale, but given that, it should be discussed what should be included. Red links are good; a Red(link) Sea is not. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Is FSU Flagship University?[edit]

Is Florida State University the flagship university of Florida? I have thought it is University of Florida, at Gainesville. Yassie (talk) 03:24, 19 October 2014 (UTC)