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- 2 All from one reference?
- 3 60-year cycle, "very ancient"?
- 4 Puthandu
- 5 Make individual months redirects?
- 6 History
- 7 Makes sense to merge
- 8 About External link
- 9 Regarding the so called "Retained Ancient Usage"
- 10 Coincides with Bengali New Year?
- 11 Tamil calendar, Tamil New Year and Puthandu
- 12 Requested move
- 13 All from one reference?
- 14 Thiruvalluvar Calendar
- 15 Length of the Tamil Calendar Year
- 16 Tamil calendar
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Barely a B class.
Can someone write about the significance of the days with respect to the phase of the moon, ashtami, navami, dasami, ekadasi, dua dasi,etc... ?!!
All from one reference?
This article aims to be very informative, but has all of the information been taken from just one reference?? While I'm sure that Professor Vaiyapuri Pillai, through his book History of Tamil Language and Literature (Chennai, 1956), is an authoritative source, I don't think lifting all of the information from this book and placing here accords with Wikipedia standards... does it? If it is acceptable to Wiki's standards, please at least cite exact pages or chapters as appropriate. Vrk004 (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
60-year cycle, "very ancient"?
In the first paragraph, the discussion of the "60-year cycle" seems to be a non-sequitor. There needs to be a statement connecting it to the tamil calendar discussion. I am sure the connection is obvious to more knowledgeable people, but it is not obvious to novice readers like me. Also, can we elaborate on what is meant by "very ancient"? Vrk004 (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
The pan-Indic 60 year cycle has been part of Tamil tradition for several centuries. It is enumerated and has been listed in the traditional almanac or panchangam. It could well be that the tradition was introduced with the Vijayanagara empire. The point remains that it is used by large sections of the Tamil public to this day. --Tolkaapiyanaar (talk) 16:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm proposing that the Puthandu article be merged into this article. The info about Tamil New Year should probably be made into a section of the Tamil calendar article. Both articles have a list of months and their corresponding Gregorian dates but the two lists are not identical. It's not something I'm remotely qualified to write about so rather than blunder it up I'll leave it to someone who knows more than me. --squirrel 14:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think we had better leave the article be. Tamil Puthandu is an important festival in Tamil Nadu and deserves its own article. We might have to rewrite the article to make it sound like it's about the festival. Anyway, Happy Tamil New Year to all!--Vaishu2 04:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Make individual months redirects?
Unless extensive info is planned for the individual months pages, why not make them redirects pointing to this page? Dybryd 17:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be super-cool if someone could add notes about the history of this calendar - xellos 22.214.171.124 16:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
It makes sense to merge the two articles as Puthandu is the Tamil word for New Year. Thanks. Freesree 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Makes sense to merge
- Agree to Merge. --Natrajdr 10:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I think can add Tamil Calendar in external link. It is really very well detailed calendar.
Hellocsrini 02:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the so called "Retained Ancient Usage"
No proper reference has been provided. The original research and unverified claims of Dravidian historians cannot be blindly reproduced in a responsible place like this without proper references to texts. Hypotheses are to indicated as such. Widely accepted consensus and universal facts (here, the common Tamil calendar) are to be accepted according to wiki rules.
Another page in wiki poses simalair original and unreferenced claims which are also not used practically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Tamil_country#Calendar
Coincides with Bengali New Year?
The Bengali New Year Pohela Baishakh falls on Apr 14 or 15. This seems to coincide with Tamil New Year. Please verify and include that information in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Tamil calendar, Tamil New Year and Puthandu
Tamil calendar refers to the calendar which is the shared cultural heritage of all Tamils. Tamil New Year is the celebration of the new year and is therefore forwarded to the Puthandu page. The Tamil calendar page should be limited to explaining about the calendar and its significance, while the Puthandu page should elaborate about the significance and celebration of this festival. Hope people can understand this and help expand the Puthandu page. OKtuck (talk) 08:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the deletion made by # 188.8.131.52 and the change in subject header introduced by Appleyard. I provided more cultural information to the text. --Tolkaapiyanaar (talk) 15:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Not that I'm an expert, but I find it hard to believe that "calendar" is usually capitalized in English when you're talking about the Tamil calendar, but not the Julian, Gregorian, Islamic, Hebrew, Persian, Malyalam, etc. etc. ad nauseam. The only exception I can think of is the French Republican Calendar, but that's a very specific and odd one. Lockesdonkey (talk) 05:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
All from one reference?
This article is very informative, but has all of the information been taken from just one reference?? While I'm sure that "Very ancient" and "etc." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vrk004 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Where is the Thiruvalluvar Calendar article in Wikipedia01:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
There should be a page for Kollam Calendar - based on astrology, which is common for All States, all languages, (the contents are roughly what is there in Tamil Calendar Page now) There should be a page for Thiruvalluvar Calendar Now Officially Tamil Nadu Government has accepted Thiruvalluvar Calendar as the Tamil Nadu's official calendar - This point should be given due weightage
In such a scenario, The Page on Tamil Calendar should be a disambiguation page
There should be a page for Kollam Puthandu - based on astrology, which is common for All States, all languages, (the contents are roughly what is there in this page now) There should be a page for Thiruvalluvar Puthandu Now Officially Tamil Nadu Government has accepted Thiruvalluvar Calendar as the Tamil Nadu's official calendar - This point should be given due weightage This page should be a disambiguation page11:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Length of the Tamil Calendar Year
The article says "The total number of days in a Tamil Calendar is an average 365 days".
If that is the case, the Tamil and Gregorian Calendars will have a relative drift with a period of 1461 / 1460 years, and the Tamil Calendar will not be a good solar calendar.
If the Tamil Calendar is better locked to the seasons, the average length of the year must be closer to 365.2425 days.
It may be that the most common length of the Tamil year is 365 days.
edit done by me on 'tamil calendar' was not a fake. i read tholkaapiyam(the oldest literature for tamil cultures, befors the arrival or brahmins and sanskrit). in tholkaapiyam there was a line mentioning about tamil new year, representing 'thai mudhal naal(jan 14)' is thenew year for tamil peoples, not the april 14. after brahmins arrival to tamil nadu,they changed it. actually they wanna spoil the real culture of tamil people.in 1921 a common meeting was conducted by periyar in pachyappas college. all the tamil experts discussed about the tamil new yaer and finally they concluded THAI 1 is the Newyear fot tamil peoples. i am collecting more proofs and submit it later on. so dont revert my edit.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thannilvan (talk • contribs) 14:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)