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The link to wikiofmagic doesn't work. please fix it!!![edit]

I am a tammy fan and noticed that the link to her wiki isn't working, and more recently that it had been deleted. Is wikiofmagic coming back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Summergirl621 (talkcontribs) May 6, 2009

I'm sorry, but probably not. First outside wiki's are rarely allowed(see: WP:EL), personally i don't like that either but can't do much unless we can get that rule changed, and secondly we'd need to know the new url if there is one. --Legeres (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Further books planned[edit]

It seems quite premature to list books that don't have titles or exact publication dates yet. Some of the material also seems to have been lifted from the author's website. For the time being, I'm going to rearrange and copy the material I'm removing here. Note that these books are still mentioned, just not in so much detail.

  • The Circle Reforged (working title) in which the children are reunited after their separate adventures abroad. Tentatively scheduled for release in 2005.
  • (no title) in which Tris attempts to pass as an ordinary mage to enrol at university. Tentatively scheduled for release in 2007.
  • (no title) (set in the months after Street Magic) in which Briar, Rosethorn, and Evvy continue their journey eastward to distant Yanjing, where they discover a danger that threatens the home temple of the Living Circle religion. Tentatively scheduled for release in 2009.
the last item in your list is gonna be called "Melting STones'" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.32.92.185 (talk) 03:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Someone (probably myself, but I can hope, can't I?) might want to mention novels availabe in other languages, since we're apparently listing US and UK titles (the latter, incidentally are much cooler!). -Salli 02:27, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ironic that the U.S. titles are the originals, isn't it? Generally the original titles and the coolest, then get corrupted by overseas publishers.12.17.189.77 22:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Circle Reforged will be done. :) -Faramir Fett

Now released as The Will of the Empress and included. —Phil | Talk 13:35, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

'2007:

  • untitled Circle universe book, in which Tris enrolls at the mages' university in Lightsbridge under an assumed name, in an attempt to become an ordinary mage practicing normal academic magic (spells, charms, potions) with no one knowing her real name or power, Scholastic hardcover in the U.S. and Canada—March'

Has this been released yet? Calineed 20:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. But Melting Stones has been released (I am pretty sure). In the article, it says that the Will of the Empress takes place at the same time as Melting Stones. That is not true because in The Will of the Empress Briar talks about experiences that would have happened in Melting Stones.--24.59.103.237 23:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Melting stones is out as an audiobook. Just look on a site like amazon.com. Been out since october, according to them. Bad price though. I wouldv'e bought it otherwise. 71.193.239.58 (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Breakup[edit]

This page really needs to be split into separate articles for the books, the author's page is supposed to be a bio (which in this case needs fleshing out), with links to their published works. I will leave this up to someone who has read the books in question. -- Gizzakk 12:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll be willing to do this myself. :) Just need a bit of time, but I plan for this to be my first (big) Wiki project. Hee. -- Angela 06:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on separate books that don't have pages like the Emelan books and touching up some of the lame ones. I've also started taking notes about Winding Circle and Chammur and other places while doing the other books. --Kittyflyc 03:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I just created a page for Street Magic and am about to work on one of the other Circle Opens ones. If anyone can look over my page and fill out specifics, I'd be grateful. --Thirteen figure skater 12:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

SheroesCentral[edit]

There was an internal editing link to Sheroes Central in this article, so I created a sort entry for it. However, as the SheroesCentral article was deleted earlier today, it seems pointless to leave a link to an article that will never exist. Since Tamora Pierce is still strongly associated with Sheroes, even though she doesn't own it anymore, I include a link to the site itself. Most of the details in the deleted article came from the site, so it should be (almost) equally informative. LeaHazel 17:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with SheroesCentral, but why must people make links to pages that don't exist!? Can someone help me to go through all the links on these pages and create pages that don't exist! Thirteen Figure Skater 8:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

One of the reasons is as a note that an article should exist there, as the red links are very visible and act as editor-magnets. I'm gradually going through the whole Tamora Pierce section and adding articles as necessary, a slow progress, since many of the existing articles need cleanup/rewriting, and there are only a handful of editors well-qualified to write them. - LeaHazel 16:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Question about Alanna series[edit]

Was that whole motif of disguising herself as a guy inspired from Yentl? Siyavash 02:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I am almost positive that that is not the case. Kittyflyc 17:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Given they both came out in the same year, and the book was written (and rewritten) for years prior to its publication, this is highly unlikely. Cherisaan 23:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm planning on making a Winding Circle one. I have notes written down for it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kittyflyc (talkcontribs) 01:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Not about Alanna, but does anyone else think that in the upcomming series "The Provost's Dog," the naming of the character isn't just a coincidence? I mean, Cooper? Gotta be some hidden symbols in there! Thirteen figure skater 8:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah Tamora has confirmed that. I think Beka is George's great-grandma or something. About 200 years. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kittyflyc (talkcontribs) 23:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Great Great Great Great Grandma I believe.--24.59.103.237 23:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Biography[edit]

Pierce has a bio section on her official site. I think someone should summarize whatever encyclopedic information can be culled from it (education, jobs, etc.) and turn this into an actual biography article, relegating the bibliography (which currently dominates the article) to one section, with links to the articles for each series.

I think a good hierarchy for the book summaries would be something like this: author article links to series article w/brief summary; series article contains synopses of series arc and links to each individual novel w/brief summary; novel article contains both a short synopses (spoiler-free) at the top of the article, and then a spoiler-warned detailed plot summary.

Thoughts? - LeaHazel 20:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I have written a tentative biography section. Feel free to edit it or remove it as you see necessary. I thought it would be at least a good starting point. Calineed 17:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I am working on her biography section, I will probably do more later tonight or at least in the next couple of days. Kittyflyc 18:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I just added a link to LOTR. Calineed 21:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Just make sure you reference it. Ddcc 21:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
It was a link to the Wikipedia article. Calineed 21:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Emelan[edit]

The 'Circle of Magic' books are set in Emelan right? There is an article on Emelan, which could possibly be linked to from here?

I have put in a sentence about it now. I'm not sure if it's in the right place. Calineed 21:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Source for german ogre translation[edit]

This site- http://www.alagaesia.com/news_interview.htm has an interview with Pierce, Pullman and Paolini. This must be where the information for this trivia came from. You have to search through a lot of text so I'd suggest doing a search and typing 'ogre'. I don't know how to add sources at the moment which is why I'm writing this here. Calineed 22:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers?[edit]

Do you think that there ought to be a warning about plot spoilers where the stories are explained? Calineed 15:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

I have removed the trivia; '*Tamora's name was meant to be Tamara, but was spelled inaccurately on her birth certificate' because it is already in the biography section of the article. Calineed 12:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The link to wiki of magic dosen't work. 70.116.91.168 (talk) 00:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Circle Reforged[edit]

I'm pretty sure "The Circle Reforged" refers to the set of books(including "the Will of the Empress") coming and not a particular one. Much like the previous quartets were named as well: "the Circle of Magic" and "the Circle Opens". --Legeres (talk) 06:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

The Circle Reforged was the working title for Will of the Empress. At the moment I believe WotE is standalone; perhaps if TP writes more in that series it will be dubbed thus. --Aseld talk 09:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Does she say that it was the working title somewhere? It doesn't in the book, nor can i find it on her site.--Legeres (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Comics[edit]

Please add the year for the February 24 date under the "Comics" heading. 22:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billfalls (talkcontribs)

I disagree with/have suggestions for the theme[edit]

I want to apologize in advance for the length, but since I have to start my chores when I done with this, why not do a 110% ?

I disagree with the theme as stated in the intro paragraph.

"Many of her books contain feminist themes, or give preference to women."

I'm fine with the feminist part, but I think that the "give[s] preference to women" part is misleading and perhaps wrong.

I think the real theme of her books is that everyone is the same. Men and women (Lioness, Protector of the Small), and rich and poor (Immortals, Circle, Protector of the Small).

There's no gender-based preferential treatment -- Keladry and Alanna want to prove to the world that women can be equal to men. Keladry just wants to be treated the same and be given the same chance that boys get.

In the Immortals series, Daine is a bastard orphan whose courage, determination, and rare magical gift allow her to save the kingdom she loves, become the valued friend of kings, and talk with gods. "Here, everyone was different. ... Here, life's what you make it. Who you used to be doesn't matter. Look at Sarge -- he was a slave, once. Onua was beaten by her husband and left to die. Her Majesty and Commander Buri had to flee Saraine." (page 110 & 112 of "Wild Magic" by Tamora Pierce)

In Protector of the Small, Keladry treats nobles, commoners, and animals with the same amount of dignity and believes that all their lives have equal value. She commits treason to save her people, even though they're "just a bunch of commoners." Daine loves her because she treats animals better than most people treat other people.

The Circle Universe says, essentially, that people from all races and socio-economic backgrounds are equal. Briar is an orphan, street rat who steals to survive and is a gang member for protection. Daja, a member of the much-hated Trader race, is orphaned by a disaster and then abandoned by her people because of their cultural beliefs. Trisana is a girl abandoned by her merchant family because she is strange and misunderstood. Sandrilene, a noble from the most blue-blood family in two realms and a relative of royalty, has a rare manifestation of common weaving magic, catches serial killers, and will one day replace her Duke Uncle in Summersea. Pasco uses dance to catch thieves (and fish). Evvy was sold into slavery by her family, but uses her magic to escape her owner and help Briar defeat an evil noblewoman. Glaki, who has the same magic as Tris, is orphaned when her mother, a street entertainer/prostitute, is murdered by a serial killer. Keth becomes disabled after a lightning strike turns his happy and successful life upside-down.

Commoners, nobles, the poor, thieves, cops, murderers, prostitutes, slaves, merchants, homosexuals, gangs, bastards, beggars, kings, gods, disabilities. There's good and bad of each. There's an evil noblewoman in Street Magic, and a cowardly nobleman in Bloodhound. There's good thieves -- Briar, Rosto -- and bad thieves -- Crookshank, Deerborn, Pearl. There good great kings (Johnathon), good but conniving queens (Berenene), and horrible, evil emperors (Ozorne). No matter who or what they are, they are all seen the same - real people, with hopes and dreams, abilities and faults. Even the kings and nobles are shown to be regular people -- just like everyone else.

"Daine, in awe, watched them go. This was what she'd dreamed of when Onua said they were going to Tortall. Well, some things are different. ... She's shorter than I expected. And I never thought she'd swear, or make jokes. She's a legend, sure enough, but she's so human. An idea made her jaw drop: if she's a legend, and a hero, then anyone could be a hero. ... If anyone might be a hero -- could I?" (page 75 of "Wild Magic" by Tamora Pierce)

I just feel like Pierce's message is one of gender, (racial,) and socioeconomic equality, equal opportunity for all, and not being afraid to fight for what you believe in. Everyone is capable of great things, if given the chance, because we are all the same.

It's so much more than "feminism," and it's definitely not "preferential".

Gatorgirl7563 (talk) 00:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)