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"related groups" info removed from infobox[edit]

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These people are hardcore.

Tarahumara vs Raramuri[edit]

I think that the name of this page should be changed to "Raramuri" instead of "Tarahumara". Raramuri is the native name of the people, Tarahumara is the name the Spanish colonizers gave them and it is considered improper and derogatory by the Raramuri to call them Tarahumara. If you like you can compare this to the naming of the Sami people in Scandinavia by their colonizers as Lapps. /LAB 12:05, 21 August 2009 (GMT) +1 for renaming the page Raramuri. All indigenous races should always be referred to by their own names for themselves, from the Inuit to the Mapuche. We wouldn't have a page on Americans called "Yanks" or one on the British called "Poms" so I don't see why it is acceptable to do it with other races. Arctic hobo (talk) 08:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with what you are saying, but you should be careful when you change one term for another one throughout an article - you need to check that Wikilinks aren't broken (for instance to Tarahumara language). The article is also somewhat confusing now because there is no mention of the fact that there are two different names for the people. --bonadea contributions talk 08:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I am a bit hopeless at wikipedia. Can someone with half a brain move it to Raramuri? Arctic hobo (talk) 15:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the present article should probably be moved, but changing it will entail more decisions: the first sentence reads "In their language, the term rarámuri refers specifically to the males, females are referred as muki (individually) or igomele (collectively)." So then, is the caption to the photo on the right incorrect? It reads "Two Rarámuri women (one with a baby nursing) at Arareco Lake near Creel, Chihuahua, Mexico." Presumably they should be referred to as "Igomele women." Also, should the name of the language (Tarahumara language) also be moved? If so, is it correct to move it to Rarámuri language? This disregards the name of the women for themselves. Perhaps the answer lies in some careful redirecting. babbage (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a consensus for move without objection. I'll ask for a move. --Hutcher (talk) 02:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An Ancient Culture in Mountainous Mexico[edit]

Ruben E. Reyes is Mexican. He was raised in Mexico City. But some of the indigenous Tarahumara people of northern Mexico had a word for him when he first traveled among them in 2002. The word was “gringo.”

“I was never called that before,” Mr. Reyes, 31, recalled recently.

Though his father’s family had come from an area about 50 miles away, Mr. Reyes was an outsider in the Copper Canyon, among the mountains of the Sierra Madre Occidental. He found the Tarahumara, who are known for their running prowess, living lives not wholly unlike their ancestors centuries ago, who fled to these elevations from the Spanish.

“They still had their own culture,” Mr. Reyes said. “It wasn’t Mexicanized.”

However, by the time he returned for several months in 2009 to photograph, Mr. Reyes saw signs of a cultural shift among the Tarahumara (also known as the Rarámuri). Men who had previously worn loincloths now wore jeans. Children, most of them now in school, were speaking Spanish, while their grandparents spoke only Tarahumara. People were leaving the canyon to seek work in the cities. Yet, at the same time, Mr. Reyes found many traditional religious practices still being maintained, alongside Catholic observances.

His black-and-white, medium-format photographs have a timelessness of their own, as if they had been taken a century ago. But this wasn’t the result of some conscious aesthetic strategy. “This is just the way I photograph,” Mr. Reyes said.

He currently works as a freelance photographer in Cincinnati, where he lives with his wife, Jamie, and their newborn daughter. That’s a long way from Copper Canyon.

“It was like a dream being there — all magic and beauty,” Mr. Reyes said. “This was the land of my forefathers. I’ve been living outside of Mexico for 12 years. You don’t really appreciate what you have in your country until you leave it.”

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/08/an-ancient-culture-in-mountainous-mexico/?ref=world —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.250.155.34 (talk) 19:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Athletic prowess[edit]

In reference with the citation needed on the section of Quadrupeds, would such video suffice? In it, Christopher McDougall discuss how early humans and cultures like the Tarahumara tired out creatures by running them to death http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_mcdougall_are_we_born_to_run.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61ANT (talk • contribs) 03:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page not moved per discussion below. - GTBacchus^(talk) 08:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tarahumara → Rarámuri — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rarámuri is the native name while Tarahumara is the name given them by the Spanish. Consensus on talk page would like to see the native name used. Current Rarámuri is a redirect to Tarahumara Hutcher (talk) 02:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contested; English usage is more relevant than Spanish or native usage and should be established before a move. — AjaxSmack 03:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. WP:UE "If there are too few English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns, and so on)" Google test does not demonstrate an established English usage. "For articles discussing the present, use the modern English name (or local name, if there is no established English name), rather than an older one." Tarahumara is the Spanish name for them but Spanish control over the Chihuahua region ended around 1810.--Hutcher (talk) 04:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. Why would there be "too few English-language sources to constitute an established usage" in this case? The article seems reasonably well-sourced. A perusal of the sources and the external links shows a predominance of "Tarahumara" but with some use of "Rarámuri". Any other evidence? — AjaxSmack 03:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, looking at Google Books, even just books published since 2000, Tarahumara still seems to predominate.--Kotniski (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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46,000 kcal[edit]

46,000 kcal is 46 million calories, an amount impossible to consume before running any distance. This cannot be correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.56.180.7 (talk) 22:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are two different meanings for the word "calorie": gram calories, used in scientific circles, and dietary calories. The latter are 1000x the size of the former. The result of this is the confusing situation that the terms "kilocalorie" and "calorie" are often used interchangably for dietary calories. --MijinLaw (talk) 23:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of "Robert "El Nino" Housler, American Football Player for the Arizona Cardinals and world class idiot" to Famous Raramuri Section[edit]

I don't know whether Mr. Housler is a Tarahumara nor whether he's a "world class idiot" but i doubt the former and am sure the latter is irrelevant.

The "Tarahumara People" page also has a format error at least on my MBP/Safari screen. It's several normal pages wide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeS1121 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the formatting issue. --Fayerman (talk) 22:55, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Removed the defamatory stmt. --Fayerman (talk) 23:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tarahumara vs Raramuri redux[edit]

This article is a confusing hodgepodge of the two terms ... it should be cleaned up and, if Raramuri is the accepted term (as it appears to be), moved. I see the last move request didn't go through, but it drew very little reaction. Perhaps somebody should try again. Otherwise, everything in the article should go back to "Tarahumara" since that's the name of the article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely back a move, but don't know the protocols. Seems pretty miserable that a colonial name is used for a people on the basis that it's more common in English. After all, the page Lapps redirects to Sami people. How do we get the ball rolling here, and how do get involved in the argument (it seems the one above is somehow closed?). Sorry to be dim, new around here. Arctic hobo (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@DavidWBrooks and Arctic hobo: Late to the discussion, but I've gone ahead and moved to Rarámuri since both terms are covered (often interchangeably) in sources. WP:ETHNICGROUP guidelines allow switching to endonyms when appropriate. Qzd (talk) 02:51, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I support the move on principle, although I am not 100% convinced that Raramuri covers all Tarahumara groups - I believe some pronounce their selfidentification Ralamuli - but I am not 100% sure if they would not prefer Raramuri anyway. But definitely I think this name is already making Tarahumara obsolete as an ethnonym.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 03:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Tarahumaras also eat meat, but this constitutes less than 5% of their diet. (source)[edit]

As a numeric percent is given I would expect a source for that number. Hopefully this source would include sample size and means of executing the poll; which season was it conducted in?; is the measurement pre or post meal preparation (does it account for waste)?; the units that percentage is based on (weight, calories, volume?) 5 percent seems to be a rounded off figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.53.40 (talk) 12:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Transhumance and domesticated animals[edit]

The article says that the Tarahumara "still" practice transhumance. This is not clear to me. None of the animals listed in this article are native to the New World. How long have the indigenous people there practiced a lifestyle they could not have begun until the Spanish imported livestock, and is it the best description to say they "still" do that? IAmNitpicking (talk) 03:58, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]