Talk:Tarot

Talk pages for Tarot at Wikipedia

Number	Name	Talk Page
Trumps	Major Arcana	Talk:Major Arcana
Numbers/Courts	Minor Arcana	Talk:Minor Arcana
0	The Fool	Talk:Fool
1:I	The Magician	Talk:Magician
2:II	The High Priestess	Talk:Priestess
3:III	The Empress	Talk:Empress
4:IV	The Emperor	Talk:Emperor
5:V	The Hierophant	Talk:Hierophant
6:VI	The Lovers	Talk:Lovers
7:VII	The Chariot	Talk:Chariot
8:VIII	Strength	Talk:Strength
9:IX	The Hermit	Talk:Hermit
10:X	The Wheel of Fortune	Talk:Wheel
11:XI	Justice	Talk:Justice
12:XII	The Hanged Man	Talk:Hanged Man
13:XIII	Death	Talk:Death
14:XIV	Temperance	Talk:Temperance
15:XV	The Devil	Talk:Devil
16:XVI	The Tower	Talk:Tower
17:XVII	The Star	Talk:Star
18:XVIII	The Moon	Talk:Moon
19:XIX	The Sun	Talk:Sun
20:XX	Judgment	Talk:Judgment
21:XXI	The World	Talk:World

Origins of card

I read somewhere that the origins of Tarot cards can be trace back to Chinese Mahjong tiles. With the reopening of the silk road by the Mongol empire, there was a great deal of trade between China and Europe, and games of mahjong were used to pass the time on the journey. Thus, they were introduced to Europe, where the eventually evolved into today's modern playing cards and Tarot cards. The article should mention this somewhere. Does anybody know anything more? —MiguelMunoz (talk) 11:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC) It is said that playing cards originated in China and that Tarot originated in northern Italy during the 15th century after the introduction of playing cards in Europe. See the links International Playing Card Society A Pollett Playing Cards Smiloid (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

The origins are fairly well documented in academic sources. Tarot cards as we know them originated in Italy (tarocchi), but were modeled after playing cards from the Middle East. There are know Mamluk (Turkish) cards with the four southern European suits (batons, coins, cups, swords). These seem to have come from Persian originals where the batons were polo sticks. - Parsa (talk) 22:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Art of memory

There is little to nothing in this article about this relation to 'tarot divination'. tarot is about memory recall. Attaching numerous ideas to a card and recalling that information in an impromptu setting. It doesn't have to be 'divination', it is more of an intuitive exercise.

I reverted this addition to the article as no sources were supplied to support this thesis. The relationship appears weak to me as tarot readings may be performed for a complete stranger, consequently what exactly is being remembered? Fæ (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Based in the earliest surviving tarot cards in the Visconti Sforza decks in which the trump cards are unnumbered, the assertion that there was an influence from the Art of Memory in the initial design of tarot would not be unreasonable. Card players were apparently expected to memorize the ranking of trumps when playing the game. However I would agree that such an assertion needs to be based on some sources for inclusion in the article.Smiloid (talk) 20:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Lead = Wrong

the lead is much too bias against the topic of the article. It would be appropriate to use neutral terminology and refrain from discrediting that which is not proven. Focus on proof, not the lack of proof. Talk about how tarot is used for divination, not how your think divination is bunk. Don't forget that cards were invented in china as early as the ninth century. Don't just use cards as evidence, remember that anything that has an element of change is always going to be used for 'divination' purposes. It's just human nature. flip a coin, roll a dice, rock paper scissors... it's all the same...

Just some ideas on how to improve the page. tata

First use the 4 "~" to sign your comments. How is the lead biased against the topic? Where does it say divination is bunk? Smiloid (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

We're number one!

Google the word "tarot" and this Wikipedia article is at the very top now! It used to be that this article was in third place when doing that search but now it's in first placeSmiloid (talk) 19:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Update: #7. Nemodomi (talk) 00:02, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Spread section needed

Just like wiki has poker, rummy... we should a section on the way that the cards are used. Example: Three Card Tarot Spreads, Five Card Tarot Spreads, Nine Card Tarot Spreads, Celtic Cross Tarot Spreads, Large Tarot Spreads, Shape-Based Tarot Spreads,..and so on. icetea8 (talk) 04:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

spreads will be put here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot_reading#Spreads icetea8 (talk) 12:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC) We have sections on how tarot cards are used. Tarot cards are not only used in tarot spreads. Like poker and rummy, tarot is also a game and we have articles on how the tarot games are played. See French tarot for an example. There is a section on spreads in the tarot reading article. Your comments should be on that article.Smiloid (talk) 10:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Why the reference to Jung?

Why is there a reference to Jung? I would have thought his collective works were more notable for how infrequently they mention the Tarot, and they would almost certainly contain more references to the I Ching. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

In fact, having just looked at the article on the I Ching, the only reference there to Jung is in the list of books at the end! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)