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The Moment I Knew[edit]

The Moment I Knew was released as a promotional single by Taylor and should be added source: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-moment-i-knew-single/id587493839 184.58.0.27 (talk) 14:57, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

No evidence.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 01:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Evidence is posted. 184.58.0.27 (talk) 05:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't see where iTunes calls it a "promo single", do you?  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 05:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

It says single but the cover is of the album making it a promo. 184.58.0.27 (talk) 05:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't provide any evidence what-so-ever. The song wasn't available on iTunes in the US previously, so they just released it as a stand-alone song (instead of having to delete Red from iTunes and re-upload it, which would be what they would have to do).  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 05:35, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

RED[edit]

Red has much less details in the introduction part. I believe that more details must be added now. also the sales of red have increased so they must be changed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhinav0927 (talkcontribs) 09:08, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

US Pop Charts Inclusion to the Singles Chart Table ?[edit]

Since she had a lot of pop singles especially in her latest album Red, i think US Pop Charts should also be inclueded to the singles chart table. She also cares a lot about what her songs doing on the pop charts; e.g. : https://twitter.com/taylorswift13/status/306509874433519617 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.110.101.38 (talk) 20:16, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

It's time to remove the US Country's peaks.[edit]

US Country's peaks are not appropriate for her now. We should add other country's peaks and certifications. Rihanna discography also removed the R&B/Hip-Hop's peaks. U990467 (talk) 11:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Why? That is ridiculous. The country format launched her career. This is whitewashing of her career's history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drkrleitch (talkcontribs) 18:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

It is never time to remove historic chart entries, for Taylor Swift, for Rihanna, or for anyone else. If there was ever even one chart entry, no historic record is correct without reporting it. Some artist sometime may "wish" that people would "forget" their earlier achievements, but I can't imagine Swift or Rihanna feel this way. And even if they did, Wikipedia is simply a place for knowledge of facts, and the facts should be thee regardless of anyone's personal feelings about them. Swift's Country successes and Rihanna's R&B successes are exactly where their respective careers began -- and they each have SIGNIFICANT amounts of success in those areas, which SHOULD be reported. It is simply wrong not to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.59.105 (talk) 00:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2014[edit]

The country charts should not be removed from her discography. 76.92.72.205 (talk) 04:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Sam Sing! 07:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with this notion that the country charts should not be removed from her discography. I just came here now to look at a peak for one of her country hits (a song that didn't really cross over to the pop chart) and now it's gone. I could understand removing her post-country era songs (like "Shake It Off") from the country charts category, but the ones before that should remain. 16:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


Don't worry, I put the country chart peaks back. Someone had erroneously deleted them. Jeremyeyork (talk) 02:09, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


Is someone going to put the country chart peaks back? They aren't there. I always found them very useful. Taylor Swift has had a lot of major country hit singles, including multiple #1s. It's odd to not have them here and makes the page much less useful as a record of her chart performance. Ww adh77 (talk) 00:31, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Once again, Country peaks are removed in albums. Why? She had a bunch of #1's -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 17:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I've fixed the mistake again and added her Adult Contemporary peaks Jeremyeyork (talk) 05:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

The next time her country peaks are removed will be reported as vandalism. Jeremyeyork (talk) 05:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

@Jeremyeyork: I have had to revert your edit because now there are more than 10 charts which is not allowed per DISCOGS. Please align on which 10 charts you want to keep and then do the edit. Cheers. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:03, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
ETA, I would say remove Ireland being a minor market and add the country charts. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean only ten? Jeremyeyork (talk) 17:12, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Only 10 chart listings. What is there not to understand? —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 04:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Why can there be only ten? Is there anywhere that says there can be only ten? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 17:43, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
WP:DISCOGSTYLE "A limit of approximately 10 separate charts is suggested, using any combination of country, component, or competing charts." —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 17:59, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


Two keywords "APPROXIMATELY" and "SUGGESTED" does not mean it CAN'T or SHOULDN'T be more than 10. Especially for an artist who has had such stellar success. Wikipedia becomes a useless tool if people come to it for information and find relevant information removed. Regardless of Swift's current Pop success, the fact that she had the Country chart success at all makes it relevant. The article becomes incorrect if it does not reflect this. I would agree that IRE is less important than Country if a distinction has to be made, but I still content that "approximately" and "suggested" actually supports the argument than more than 10 is acceptable if an artist has had the corresponding success. In any case, please put back all the Country chart positions and lock them in, as no record of Swift's accomplishments is correct without it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.59.105 (talk) 22:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2014[edit]

Enter 45 for Blank Space under the Japan Hot 100 chart Jaxswim (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 00:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2014[edit]

Please add the world sales for 1989 from the albums section to 4 Million. http://www.brits.co.uk/news/taylor-swift-ed-sheeran-and-sam-smith-to-perform-at-brits-2015 Thewhiteboy114 (talk) 04:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

OK, you got it. Will change to 4 million. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Reverted it. This is not hard sales of the album but sales + TEA. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 07:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Removing of Bubbling from Other Charted Songs[edit]

Bubbling Under Hot should be removed and replaced with notes on the Hot 100. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 22:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, they should be removed and replaced with Hot 100, with a note leading to the Bubbling chart placement. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 03:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
OK, @IndianBio:, but I don't know how to do it. Can you or someone else? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I think it's unnecessary. If you want to do so, you need to put the same source in each note (you didn't do that). These notes also make the table look so messy. And it's INCONVENIENT to look up those peak positions. —U990467 (talk) 13:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, I didn't, that's why I said I don't really know how to fully add notes. But, if a song charts on the Hot 100, you have to put in notes instead of a bubbling because they are the same chart. I know because I was blocked when I said bubbling should be there on Meghan Trainor. But for someone like Drake Bell who only has a bubbling song, he can have a bub column. Swift cannot because she has hot 100 songs. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 05:47, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Joseph is correct. Bubblingech under does not need to be a separate chart and its technically wrong to do so. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 06:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2014[edit]

Swift was featured on K.K.Yo's 2014 song K.K..

It charted to number 4 in UK, number 6 in US, number 10 in AUS, number 1 in JT and number12 in NZ.

According to mediatraffic.de (http://www.mediatraffic.de/year-end-albums.htm) 1989 has sold atleast 4.619.000 copies. 92.16.4.43 (talk) 18:55, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Link is not a RS. From what I can tell, it's some sort of ridiculous lyric site in which anonymous contributors can say what they think a particular line in a rap song means. From the site's own description, users "can add any text you want to Genius". From the diverse and highly unbelievable list of collaborators listed for "K.K.Yo", including Dolly Parton, Mackelmore, and Eminem, I think the contributors have been doing just that. Don't believe this artist or this song even exists, much less charted anywhere near what you claim. Cannolis (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Please put back the US Country peaks[edit]

I don't know what else to say, they belong there and it's simply wrong to remove them! I'm a paying user, and that's the information I need to see when I look there. And it used to be there now it's not! Put it back!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.59.105 (talk) 09:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Using Headlineplanet.com which mirrors Mediatraffic[edit]

I would like to notify ongoing issue at Taylor Swift discography wherein editors/fanboys are continuously adding Headlineplanet.com as source for claiming US as well as WW sales. Check the source I listed. Although not mentioned it clearly mirrors Mediatrafic, check out their album list which shows 1989 selling 120,000 units same as what headlineplanet reported, as well as the home page, which mirrors the same content, " Taylor Swift's '1989' climbs back at no.2 with another 120,000 sales. After only 14 weeks the album breaks through the 6 million border with a total of 6,040,000 sales". This should be stopped and I reverted twice pointing them out to WP:BADCHARTS and the mirroring of Mediatraffic, but was reverted back. I will not revert further since it would result in 3RR, so asking the other users to revert back the unreliable source. Mediatraffic is listed under WP:BADCHARTS as such and any addition of those is detrimental to a featured list as such. Fanboys/Editors continuing usage of Headlineplanet include Joseph Prasad, as well as Josephlarinlula. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

None of what you just stated is factual. You seem to be confusing Mediabase & Mediatraffic. Headlineplanet.com receives their information from HitsDailyDouble.com which pays for and collects all of it's information directly from Mediabase.com, All Access, VEVO, Shazam, iTunes etc. They put together a Album Building Sales charts, Streaming + Physical Sales, Radio Airplay, Video Views and upcoming release sales charts. All of this information is sourced the same way as Billboard and their finals numbers match every time. However regardless of all this the fact of the matter is Headline Planet is not on the WP:BADCHARTS list, they do not obtain any of their information from any sources that are on those lists including Mediatraffic.de and none of the sources I listed are included on that list or source their information from that list pure and simple. And you're correct in the fact they made a big mistake stating 1989 sold 6 million copies worldwide in only 14 weeks because in actuality she sold 2.6 million more than that. She sold 8.6 Million Worldwide which is why she is the 2014 Global Artist of The Year! --Rikripley (talk) 00:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Calling someone a fanboy makes it seem like a personal attack, but yeah, pretty much what Rikripley said. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 06:25, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

1989 iTunes Singles[edit]

I don't think just cause iTunes is selling it as a single, it should count as one. I haven't seen a source besides that iTunes calls it one. I thought it had to be released to radio. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 00:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Music Industry: Template attached to Musicians Discography Pages: Single (Music) In music, a single or record single is a type of release, typically a song recording of fewer tracks than an LP record or an album. This can be released for sale to the public in a variety of different formats. In most cases, the single is a song that is released separately from an album, but it usually appears on an album. Often, these are the most popular songs from albums that are released separately for promotional uses such as digital download or commercial radio airplay, and in other cases a recording released as a single does not appear on an album.
The sales of singles are recorded in record charts in most countries in a Top 40 format. These charts are often published in magazines and numerous television shows and radio programs count down the list. In order to be eligible for inclusion in the charts the single must meet the requirements set by the charting company, usually governing the number of songs and the total playing time of the single.
Dictionary Definition:
  • a CD that has only one song on it, not a number of songs, or a song which is sold in this way.
  • a gramophone record, CD, cassette or digital download with a short recording, usually of pop music, on it
Music Industry Definition: by wiseGEEK
A music single is a song which is released as a standalone item. Typically, singles are linked to or taken from an album, and they are used to promote the album and the artist. Singles have been a part of music distribution since the early days of recording, with a popularity which has waxed and waned. Thanks to the increasing tendency to distribute music digitally with downloads, allowing users to choose which songs they download, the music single has experienced a decline in popularity.
In a classic example of a music single, a song is selected from an album and packaged on its own for distribution to radio stations, with the hope that the song will get a great deal of air play, thereby encouraging people to buy the album. The single will also be distributed to music stores, sometimes in advance of the album as a promotion. Music singles are also targeted at buyers without a big budget, so that those buyers can pick up the single even if they cannot afford the album, increasing overall sales for the record company.
Many singles are packaged with several other songs. These songs are touted as a bonus not available on the album, and they may include remixes of the single song, covers, or entirely new songs. A typical single album can have between one and five songs. The music single will usually be significantly less expensive than buying the whole album, although some people like to purchase both.
In some cases, a music single may become a hit single, often becoming associated with an artist or band as a signature song. This is often because radio stations play the single over and over, lacking access to the full album, and consumers purchase the single in high volumes if it is available before the album comes out. In order to be considered a true “hit single,” a single must typically make it into the charts used to track music sales.
CDs and Digital Downloads are the most common medium for singles, as cassette tapes are not in common use. Some musicians also release singles on records, a trend which is more common in musical subcultures such as the hip hop and electronica communities. Buying a single in record format can be more costly, due to the increased expense involved in pressing and processing records, but some people prefer the sound quality and social cachet of records to CDs. --Rikripley (talk) 02:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Then, shouldn't "Welcome to New York" and "Out of the Woods" count as singles, not promotional, since they were both released in the same way as "Wonderland", "You are In Love", and "New romantics"? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 00:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Consistency within promotional singles[edit]

Not to beat a dead horse, but what exactly defines a "promotional single" in the context of this article? At one point "If This Was a Movie" and "Superman" were listed as promotional singles for Speak Now, but they have since been moved to "Other charted songs". However, the manner in which they were released (as independent digital 'singles' on iTunes) is identical to the release of "Wonderland", "You Are in Love", and "New Romantics". So I'm just wondering why the former two were deemed not promotional singles but the latter three are. For the sake of consistency, I feel all five of these songs should be placed in the same table, whichever people feel is the more appropriate one. I lean towards moving ITWaM and Superman back into Promotional singles. Thoughts?

For reference:

I agree with you, Songsteel. I don't know when they were removed, that was an incorrect edit. It was released in the same fashion, granted I was the one who added the 1989 specials to the promo singles. It may have been before I started when they were removed, as I've only been on Wikipedia for about 11 months, but I'm all for adding those back. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 06:20, 14 March 2015 (UTC)