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Pre-1988 techno- prefixes
An anonymous editor tried to add something to the first paragraph of the article about how techno appeared in the phrase techno-punk in a 1978 newspaper article. I reverted this change because it was inappropriately presented as if it were contradicting the statement that techno, as a reference to a genre, came into existence in 1988. The article already says, at the very top, For the technopop genre, see Synthpop. For the prefix, see techno-.
Maybe we can talk about pre-1988 uses of the techno- qualifier/prefix in genre names somewhere, but it would be misleading to cast it as being in the same class as techno, the non-prefixed, unqualified noun, which is what this article is about. —mjb (talk) 23:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- Initially, this style was called "Techno House". Like Garage House (-> Garage) and Acid House (-> Acid), the full genre term was abbreviated to "Techno" or "Tekkno". This often led to confusion with the '80s meaning of the word "Techno", which wasn't related to House music.
- In the 80s, "Techno" as a noun had described a wide range of electronic dance music from SynthPop to EBM. It all was considered "Techno music" back then. The German Techno Club, founded in 1984 by Talla 2XLC, played Belgian EBM, SynthPop and Post-Industrial music, not House music. The original meaning of Techno had nothing to do with Chicago House. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:53, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
The article describes two different genres
- 1.) Detroit Techno that started in the mid-80s.
- 2.) Techno House that started in the late '80s in Europe. This style is the mainstay of the Techno music of the '90s. In this case Detroit Techno was just an influence besides many other genres from Synthpop to EBM and New Beat.
It's simply wrong to say that Techno started in the mid-80s in Detroit. That's just one form of music that was called "Techno" (and btw not the earliest one, because there were a lot of genres which were called "Techno", especially in Europe). Why not Kraftwerk's "Techno Pop" in 1983? Or Man Parrish's "Techno Trax" from 1982? It predates Cybotron's "Techno City".
But back to Techno House that became known as "Techno" or "Tekkno" in the '90s: This genre clearly started in the late '80s after the Acid House boom.
- Yep, the article obviously claims that Detroit Techno is the origin of all Techno. But that's not true. Detroit Techno wasn't that popular in Europe. European Techno music is primarily based on Acid House. That's where the Techno beat comes from.
- In this documentary from 2008 Acid House has been described as "proto-Techno". --RivetHeadCulture (talk) 14:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
"The mid-1988 UK release of Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit, an album compiled by ex-Northern Soul DJ and Kool Kat Records boss Neil Rushton (at the time an A&R scout for Virgin's "10 Records" imprint) and Derrick May, was an important milestone and marked the introduction of the word techno in reference to a specific genre of music"
"Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit" was just a House compilation, initially titled "The New House Sound of Detroit". And that's what it is. Detroit House, invariably connected to Acid and Chicago House. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 11:18, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Usually people trot out examples from the Frankfurt "techno" scene from '87, which we have already discussed to death and cover in the article well enough, so it's refreshing to see your examples from the Belgian New Beat scene from '88-'89. But of the four you cited, only the Techno Freaks example predates Rushton's compilation (although even this can't be totally verified). The music is just New Beat, and the meaning of that band's name, Techno Freaks, is open to interpretation, anyway. To me, Techno Freaks means technology enthusiasts, like gear heads or cyber freaks. Even if it is in reference to an aspect of the music, we can only guess at its meaning.
- At any rate, these New Beat records are no more valuable in tracing the evolution of the word than any other one-off examples of the prefix "techno" being incorporated into a band, album or song names since the '70s. Musically there is nothing to tie those examples together other than that the music is rhythmic and electronic and the artists are lovers of electronic technology (notably, in an era when it was more mainstream to question and fear such technology).
- Meanwhile, the liner notes and magazine articles promoting Rushton's compilation make it very clear that techno, in the sense it is being used there, is very much a genre—a genre previously unnamed and at that moment being influenced heavily by Chicago house, but crafted in Detroit and also influenced by the music of New York and Europe prior to the house boom. This is the trunk of the genre tree acknowledged by numerous reliable sources we've cited. If you can find a reliable source that says some Belgian New Beat bands were using the word techno in reference to a musical style, we can figure out a way to incorporate it into the article, but it's not going to outweigh the mountain of sources that favor Detroit. —mjb (talk) 14:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Speaking of Chicago... Maybe I could show you a source from Chicago. In 1985, both Techno and Technopop appeared in a Chicago music magazine to describe SynthPop music from Eurythmics to Laurie Anderson. As far as i know Detroit didn't use it as a genre term until 1987 (see Blake Baxter's "Blake Techno!"). In Chicago the term was well-known, i guess.
Frankfurt Techno in 1987? I'm not sure about that. From early to mid-80s, Talla & friends produced a blend of SynthPop, Hi-NRG and Italo Disco. It had nothing to do with the Techno music as we know it today. IMO, Techno in Germany started in 1988 with some early experiments by OFF (Sven Väth), Bigod 20 (Talla), Out of the Ordinary (Torsten Fenslau), or guys like Westbam. Of course, lot of records have been released in the Frankfurt area, that's for sure.
Talla knew about the Detroit compilation, but in September 1988 in a SPEX article called "Frankfurt House" he stated that the "New Dance Sound of Detroit" was not really Techno, ...not Techno in the "European sense". The same magazine describes the compilation's music as House music ("House Sound of Chicago" and "House Sound of Detroit").
The Detroit theory is not better than the Frankfurt theory (none of them "invented" the term). It all began on both sides of the Atlantic between 1987 and 1988 with slightly different roots. Detroit Techno hasn't spread globally like an epidemic. It's just one branch of the tree. There were similar developments around the world, in the U.K., in Germany, in Belgium. That's why i don't like the article intro. A genre doesn't really start at one place. Especially not in the 80s era with all its global interaction and interdependency. Even a Detroit Techno enthusiast like Richie Hawtin was an 80s EBM/Industrial fan. People like him mixed these genres on the turntables and later in the studio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Two scans from the Hot Wire magazine, published in the mid-80s in Chicago:
- "Artists as diverse as the Thompson Twins, ..., Eurythmics, and Laurie Anderson are all dabbling in the techno world. It's music that is heavily synthesizer-based."
- "Here are the answers according to techno-Sue. Let's deal first with the accusation that techno music is cold and all the same."
- No mention of House music or Cybotron. In fact, the definition of Techno music is identical to the European definition of the early 80s. In this article it describes SynthPop music. Techno music was something New-Wave-related. If you collect all the late 70s and early-to-mid-80s songs with "Techno" in the title – most of them are SynthPop-/New-Wave-based or connected to Kraftwerk's danceable Electro music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, there really are some proto-Techno tunes from the U.K., Germany etc. German production team "Mach II" published this dance track in 1986. Speed and percussions are very technoid (dominant kick drum, hi-hat and hand claps).
CTI's Elemental is more "Detroit-esque" without being from Detroit. Chris & Cosey were definitely proto-Techno.
Acid/Acid House =(equals) American Techno
- Chicago Acid is a basic component of many Techno House tracks. That's for sure. But it's a fight against an established scientific consensus. Impossible to win... Detroit's fairytales will never die.
- I mean... Why is "No UFOs" by Model 500 considered a Techno track but Man Parrish's "Techno Trax" or Moskwa TV's "Tekno Talk" aren't? Pure arbitrariness. All these tracks are pop-oriented synth tunes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
"Added to this is the influence of futuristic and fictional themes relevant to life in American late capitalist society, with Alvin Toffler's book The Third Wave being a notable point of reference." <---Seriously? I think my IQ dropped 10 points just after reading this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 04:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)