Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series)

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Typos[edit]

Just to let you know someone needs to do a thorough spell check of the entire article as it is filled with typos like mass murder instead of mass murderer when describing shredder etc. I don't have the time or the spelling skills to do it myself so if someone else could do this it would be great. Althalitus (talk) 02:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

you mean like "TV show creators like 4Kids Entertainment used Michaelangelo's trademark weapons two nunchaku because 2003 TV series is made from comics, published by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird's Mirage Studios"? Wyrlss (talk) 21:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

I have removed the trivia section because it doesn't belong on the TV series page. I would also question the validity of some conclusions drawn about the relationship between the series and the Soul Blade series. I would suggest getting some more concrete information before entering it on the page. These trivia items, if true, should also be entered on the episode specific pages, which can be found the episode list.

The writers of this television series might have drawn some ideas for characters from the Soul Blade arcade-fighting video game series. In the episode "I, Monster", the "monster" is very similar to the Soul character Voldo. The monster's costume is almost identical to one of Voldo's costumes in Soul Calibur II. In the episode "Grudge Match", at the part where Donatello mentions that the Battle Nexus tournament is typically only held every three years, and the judge replies that these are more like exhibition matches, you see a tournament fighter that looks identical to Astaroth, in his costume from Soul Calibur II, eliminating another fighter. The judge in this episode has many similarities to Yoshimitsu of Soul Calibur II and Soul Calibur III.

Inner City Blues 15:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to point out, "the monster" has been in TMNT since the eighties as the Rat King. -- Lord Crayak

John Campbell my shell![edit]

Why do all of the TMNT pages have Raphael's VA listed as John Campbell? His real name is Frank Frankson, and John Campbell is merely a pseudonym that he has used on projects (much like Steven Jay Blum used the name "David Lucas"). Furthermore, he is not credited as John Campbell on TMNT. Total nuts. The S 02:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I can tell you that on the episode pages I've been doing, I credit Frank Frankson.
Inner City Blues 04:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... maybe I should have seen all of the ones that I personally had seen. Still... this is quite confusing. The S 18:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Fan reactions[edit]

Why is there a fan reactions section if there is no way of citing the information? Moreover, what are the demographics of the "fans"? Much of the commentary seems skewed toward the older audience that enjoyed the series since the 1980's, but there is no talk of the target audience, thus there are fans excluded in this whole section.

Inner City Blues 01:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

"I keep it real"[edit]

how does a "pure" rat learn new-jit-zoo? it can't, that fake, but a human can learn. If a human becames a rat, the mutation wont wipe his fighting mine.

Why would a brain (Im not talking about Kraing, im taking about the ootron that became Shredder) want to fight like a ninja, it wouldn't, but a normal human would and a normal human is a better "Shredder".

Why would a rat and 4 turtles just form into humans by touching mutation, they wouldn't. When it cames to mutation, whats makes them human-like, why not cow-like (or something)? But if it was like "touch the mutation and become the animal you last touch" thats more like nature. the turtles could had been any thing and they became human, and a man becomes a rat.

The 1987 turtles are far, far more reallistic than the 2003 turtles.

(Oh, I also put this on the 1987 page, if you make any edits here, remember to update it on that page too)

It's just a cartoon. Just relax. Once, I was watching an episode and watched the Turtles jump three stories high, and I caught myself thinking, "That's totally unrealistic." Then I realized that the whole concept of the show--the mutant turtles--is unrealistic.
Why would a rat learn ninjitsu? Because he was bored in his cage all day.
We haven't found life in outer space, but there are many people who believe that alien life must exist out there. It's pretty egocentric to think otherwise. This does not entirely discredit the idea of an Utrom coming to Earth and becoming Shredder.
Leo, Mike, Don, and Raph didn't turn into humans. They merely became 5 feet tall and able to walk on their legs, among other changes. It's more like a growth formula than anything else. "Touch the mutation and become the animal you last touch" is oddly specific and isn't really anything like nature (what's the last thing you saw turning into whatever the last thing it touched was?).
--Brandon Dilbeck 03:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Not only that, but in the first ep of the 1987 series, Yoshi/Splinter says he turned into a rat because he last touched them... while on the screen, he's holding the turtles AS he begins to mutate!
That's in addition to the premise for the entire property being absolutely ludicrous. Trying to say that the comedy-action, fourth-wall-breaking '87 TMNT is any more or less realistic than the action-based, dimension-hopping '03 TMNT is just insane. They're both unrealistic; they just approach it from different conceptions. Which you prefer is a matter of personal taste, not how realistic it is.

Why the creator of TMNT, while hating anything referencing the old toon, "merge" Shredder and Krang into becoming Schrell or however they spelled it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.5.72 (talk)

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Merge Fast Forward?[edit]

Let's keep it seperate. These are two distinct series. Unless you are going to merge all of the TMNT tv series, you should keep them all seperate. --Jackdavinci 20:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

No, FF is a direct continuation of the 2k3 series wether we like it or not.(Sdphost 18:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

ninjaturtles.com added Fast Forward to the 2k3 series' episode list but not the old ones. Matty-chan 16:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward and this article because Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward is a continuation of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series)., it's not a separate showGman124 23:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Justice League and Justice League Unlimted have seperate articles.

Two different shows. The JL/JLU comment is an excellent example and provides precedent. Scorpion 1169 18:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I disagree with JL/JLU comment, they just renamed the show, it doesn't mean it becomes a separate show, so I also think they also should be merged togetherUDHSS 19:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge Fast Forward and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series). It's just a continuation of the showUDHSS 19:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with everyone else who thinks they should be merged. vDub 12:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge: Fast Forward is just this show's Season Five. We don't give separate articles to each show's season, and there's no reason to make an exception for this one. -- Ritchy 16:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, looking at it, all the information in the Fast Forward page was already in this page. So there's nothing left to merge, aside from the picture. I've moved the picture here and changed the Fast Forward page to a redirect. Merge done. -- Ritchy 16:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yet the Power Rangers article has separate articles for each season.

But the season of Power Ranger has separate storylines for each season, and they have different characters and setting everytime. It's like they create a separate show for each season that isn't connected to previous season
  • They start and end power ranger shows in just one season, that's why there are alot of those pagesUDHSS 23:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


Episodes[edit]

I added an Episodes template to the site since there wasn't one to link to them. I'm ignorant on the number of episodes for season five and six, so for now I put "TBA" even though they've probably been announced. If they're not fixed by the end of the day by someone else I'll search for the right numbers later today. Throw 18:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


Donner Cut[edit]

The link to the forum with the Donner Cut does not belong on this page because it's nothing more than a link telling people where they can get an episode, which probably brings up a copyright issue. In addition, your reference is to a forum, which doesn't rise to the level of the Phantom Edit because it is not a news story. If I create an edited version of an episode and post it on a forum, that doesn't raise to the level of being encyclopedic. There are many edits of movies out there, they shouldn't get pages for it automatically.

Inner City Blues 17:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

What if it was referenced, but the link was not provided? Many other articles (such as Postman Pat and Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog), reference crude remixes of episodes cobbled together by people on Youtube. Granted, the Pat version was removed from the article, but the Sonic version remains.

I think we should just leave it out because it really isn't relevant to Fast Forward (besides being a fan edit). Should we include fan fictions too? I'm not trying to be facetious, but I want illustrate the point that we shouldn't put in things created by fans unless this edit somehow created a buzz in the news. But I also tend to dislike "fan reaction" pages because they are usually the opinion of a particular individual.
Inner City Blues 19:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I was helping to delete Fanfiction articles here myself last night

I won't include the link again, as there seems to be a harder route of permitting what fan projects can and can't be referenced. I guess it's only if the producers of the show or if Peter Laird himself liked it, it'd be validated for entry (the way "Star Trek New Voyages" is approved by several of the original Star Trek series writers and actors)

Dr. R.K.Z

I think that would be a good measure, some sort of recognition. Perhaps they should run it past Lloyd Goldfine... :)
Inner City Blues 03:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Lost Season[edit]

Maybe the Lost Season isn't widely available, but DVDs of the entire season have been ripped and released on the Internet (see [1].) -- Meneth 13:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Version[edit]

Just wondering if it was really necessary to delete it seeing as though it is information that some fans may be interested in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.224.84 (talk) 17:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea to keep the information on the Japanese dub there. While I know it's a English wikipedia, there has been interest in the TMNT fandom about the japanese dub of TMNT2003, and the information outside of japanese sites isn't exactly easy to get ahold of. There's also the fact the Japanese treatment of the series has been a bit unique to most dubbed shows (considering the fact Japan went out of there way to animate minor new parts for the op/ed sequences...). Mendinso (talk) 08:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Season Pages[edit]

I am trying to find information on the Individual seasons, so that season pages can be created, but I am having problems with finding sources and information. If anyone want to help go ahead and add to the following pages:

When these have enough information, they will be moved to regular articles. So please if anyone wants to help improve these, go right ahead. Gman124 talk 20:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

    • moved the pages --Gman124 talk 22:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Italian dub[edit]

Since the Italian dub of TMNT (both the 1980's and 2003 series) both aired on Italia 1, I think someone should add that to the list where you guys had 4Kids, SBS, TV Tokyo, & Jetix Europe. It is notable so I think it should be included, not just in the International versions. Same for the others not mentioned that are also under the International Versions. What do you guys think?

~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 14:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Hajiru

Help please[edit]

Hey I edited the number of episodes cuz someone had 171, but when you look at the exact list it only shows 156. Can someone confirm there were more episodes please?

Also, does anyone have any valid info on whether or not this series, including the Ninja Tribunal, Fast Foward, and Back to the Sewers seasons are completed or if the series has been cancelled? No one has it yet so I was just curious. Thanks! :D


~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC) Hajiru

see this page. It is the official site of this show for Mirage Studios, it has 156 episodes. I think someone just added the number of Mayhem_from_Mutant_Island shorts to the total episode number. Also, I don't think it could be concluded if this show is cancelled, since they still show new 90 seconds to two minutes in length shorts. --Gman124 talk 14:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok.

I agree. Thanks dude! :D


~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 20:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC) Hajiru

Season 7 section[edit]

The whole section seems awfully sloppy. The entire section talks as if the season is still in development, and only at the very end does it mention that it already aired. The Great Morgil (talk) 00:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

This article needs a total rewrite[edit]

The section title says it all. This article spends entirely too much space comparing this series to the 1987 one. While a short section on such a comparison would be valid, it doesn't need to be in every single paragraph! Seriously, this series is it's own adaptation of the original comic, not the older TV series. The Justice League (TV series) article isn't completely about a comparison to the various seasons of Super Friends, is it? The current article gives short shrift to the newer series by not treating it as it's own entity. oknazevad (talk) 02:35, 14 March 2010 (UTC)