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Tellurium[edit]

The article suggests that the place name may have come from "tellurium" as an old name for a kind of gold ore (before it became a name for an element found in some gold ores). Is it really true that the name was ever used in this way? GMcGath 20:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It is speculated.

A compound with metal or hydrogen and similar ions to Tellurium is called a Telluride. I have heard variously that Tellurium was never found here [Telluride], & that a Gold or Silver (I don't remember) Telluride was found here.

It is also speculated that it came from a local statement, sometimes atributed to rail workers, sometimes to mine workers, to a contraction of the statement "To Hell You Ride, boy, to hell you ride!", "To-Hell-You-Ride" becomming "T 'ell You Ride", becomming, in print, "T'ell-U-Ride", or Telluride". Grye 11:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


I have read that the name could come from either use and the element was discovered and named in 1782, so that is a definite possibility. I would like to think that it came from, as Grye said, "To Hell You Ride"
Also, I forgot to log in, but I did the most recent update to this page. I left everyones links alone, though I re-arranged them to allow people to weed out the visitor/tourist information from the Historical information. -CameraCourage

Atlas Shrugged link[edit]

I just saw the tombstone for John Gault in the Telluride Cemetary.

Coincidence? I think not.

Grye 11:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Article layout[edit]

the "external links" section needs to change. again. lets look here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Geographical/North America for starts... Grye 02:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

....OK... make that "...I'll look here, for starts..." Grye 00:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks y'all... don't complain when it changes...;~D Grye 06:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I have added the picture to the infobox once again. I don't know why, but it has been previously removed. I'm sure it is all good with the copyrights because I took that picture myself. It is ok if someone wants to change it, but please, don't just remove it if you're not going to replace it with a better picture. Felipecbg 21:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the thumbnails should be standardized to 200px, so the article will look better. Felipecbg 21:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, I have written the "Transportation" section. I think it's important to talk about it in this article. If you have something to improve it, go ahead. Otherwise, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Felipecbg 21:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Marie Curie[edit]

is the Marie Curie mentioned here this same Marie Curie? I do see mention of ores etc in her Biography section. Grye 05:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Why yes, G-Rye, it is.[1] thanks for assking...;~D Grye 20:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Supposed Marie Curie-Placerville Connection[edit]

Yes I do have a reference - I believe a better one than yours [GRYE]. As I requested in my previous comment, please see the article on Placerville, Colorado. I added to that article some details on the mining there, and cited as my source an article by a U.S. Geological Survey geologist, that the ore at Placerville was originally mined for vanadium, as the uranium mineral carnotite was only a minor constituent of the ore. The principal ore mineral was roscoelite, which contains vanadium, but no uranium. The minor uranium content of the Placerville vanadium ore was not recovered until about 1950. This hardly squares with uranium from Placerville going to Marie Curie. As for the vague claim that Marie Curie "is said to have visited the area," such a visit would have been covered by newspapers nationwide, so you certainly should be able to come up with a contemporary newspaper source for that one. Perhaps the reason that this is a "little-known fact" is because it's not true. If you don't have access to a good geological library, I can scan the cited article and email it to you.Plazak 04:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of once again offending the Guardians of Cherished Local Myths, I have added to the description and documentation of vanadium mining in the Placerville article, which is consistent that there is no documented production of uranium from the Placerville mines until long after Marie Curie's death. In the meantime, no one has posted any good documentation in support of uranium from the Placerville mines going to Curie. That the Telluride article continues to include unsupported statements does it discredit. Particularly egregious is inclusion of the rumor that Curie "is said to have visited the area." That statement is blatant hearsay that should be either documented or removed from the article.Plazak 15:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

No one stepped forward to document the rumor that Marie Curie visited SW Colorado, so I removed it. Now for the remaining statement about supposed uranium mining at Placerville, Colorado: if anyone reads the reference for this statement, they will see that it does not represent that uranium was mined at Placerville, nor does it say that Curie bought such uranium in 1898. I have no disagreement with the source material, only the way that it is garbled and misrepresented in the Telluride article.Plazak 17:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

No one came up with a source for the remaining "little known fact," so I removed it.Plazak 13:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

companies with wikipedia pages[edit]

dunno where this might go, but here's some wikilinks to companies that own telluride companies

Telluride Truffles

Someone needs to add the 'Telluride Truffle Chocolate Shop' and the website for the lusciously ddelicious chocolate truffles that they sell. Their website is :

http://www.telluridetruffle.com

Mylittlezach (talk) 20:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

It can be added if it meets the requirements of the external link policy. de Bivort 21:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Telluride Academy[edit]

Telluride Academy probably deserve some mention and perhaps its own article? EmilyWolff (talk) 05:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ http://www.spec2000.net/rr_site_pages/rr_ng07.htm Author- E. R. (Ross) Crain, P.Eng.

"Telluride" songs[edit]

I've added another song called "Telluride" to the article. It appeared on the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's album Partners, Brothers, and Friends in 1985, and its lyrics refer specifically to the gold mining associated with the town. [1] Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

External Links[edit]

I have been clumsily trying to place what I think are valuable external links to the Telluride, Colorado page and have managed to get all external links deleted.

The links I tried to add are http://www.telluride.com/ a portal site that provides a broad and current view of Telluride through constantly updated content. In addition to the Index page, I tried to include http://www.telluride.com/blog/telluride-web-cam , a live web cam giving a user controlled view along main street and into the surrounding scenery.

The previous external links have also been deleted, which included links for the Ski Area, an important facet of the community, the Telluride Tourism Board, responsible for promoting Telluride and also a source for current events, and the local government site as it was reiterated elsewhere.

I believe the content of these sites was referred to as spam, however I read through the External Link Policy and believe none of these sites are in violation of that policy. Nor do the sites simply reiterate information available in the article. Instead these compliment the article by providing current information. Without these sites and their constantly updated content the article presents a two dimensional static and possibly stale image of Telluride.

Now the disclosure, I work for the company responsible for the majority of the content on Telluride.com, my specific involvement was the installation of the web cam. While I am guilty of an obvious bias, it does not negate that without this content any article on Telluride is stale.

I respect Wikipedia and utilize it frequently. it is in the interest of keeping the article current that I submitted the external link. A pictur e is worth a thousand words, a live web cam is worth...? Not to mention a blog, current events calendar, and a glimpse into the backbone of the Telluride economy tourism, real estate and those essential appurtanences, dining, entertainment, activity.

Thank you for your consideration, Karl81435 (talk) 22:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello Karl81435, thanks for bringing this up here. While I clearly think that the links aren't consistent with policy, I hope some other editors will weigh in. de Bivort 00:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply de Bivort,
I would appreciate knowing what specifically is inconsistent with the policy, other than my conflict of interest. Which would be shared by anyone who lives in Telluride as we rely upon promotion of Tellurde for our living.
Yes, all the websites are interested in the promotion of Telluride, with possibly the town government being the exception, but isn't the content what should be judged in the end? Should someone seek to understand Telluride better, short of living here, is there any better way to accomplish this than see it through the eyes of those that live here? And when I say live here, I mean with a Passion for all that Telluride offers. In other words, would you have climbed El Diente from an article that gives you the history and a who's who, or one that takes a step into the 21st century and offers live views of the peaks, experiences people write first hand of their hikes, and experiences in the town that brings an eclectic, worldly, knowledgeable mix together. That is just a scratch on the surface of what those external links presently offer and what they will become is even more. It is the next best thing to being here.
Ok, I am obviously sold on the place, but so are all those who are submitting content to Telluride.com. At the very minimum the web cam should be compelling enough, but to miss on the blog and the guest experiences, the events, the festivals, would be to stop short of what someone needs to experience Telluride vicariously.
In essence we are discussing what Wikipedia can become. Will it be a portal to travel to unfamiliar and unattainable locations shared by those who were fortunate to touch, feel, see, and taste what those remote places have to offer? If so it will require an external link to a portal site whose sole aim is to create such a picture, as those portals are the rare sites that offer such interfaces. As we have seen we cannot accomplish this directly here.
Enough said, I expect the editors will eventually come to the conclusion there is another dimension beyond what is in the articles as they stand, or not. Either way I go back to my family, job, and life here experiencing a bit of God's tangible grace, and sharing it with those who have ears to hear. Karl81435 (talk) 03:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I formatted your comments a bit for readability. Now, to answer your question. Yes, your conflict of interest is enough for me to oppose the links. If they are as useful as you say, a disinterested user will add them. Also the text on telluride.com makes it clear that it is pushing a commercial agenda, rather than an encyclopedic one. To answer your question of "will it be a portal to travel to ..." - the answer is no - it was never designed to. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and your description goes beyond that scope. Maybe you'd like to read some of the framing at WP:NOT - which sets bounds on wikipedia's self identity. de Bivort 16:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I am afraid you just made my point. because this information cannot exist in Wikipedia, External Links are the only answer. While some of the content is to promote booking of lodging, much of the content adds depth to the article on Telluride, Colorado, when you refer to 'the text on telluride.com', you cannot possibly be referring to all of the content on telluride.com, or the other links that were included before you deleted them. I was very specific on the content that added depth and links to those specific pages could and should be added. Not to be snooty, but perhaps you should read RFC which happens to discuss what we were arguing.Karl81435 (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
External links are part of wikipedia. I'm not at all sure the point of linking to that RFC discussion. If you want to comply with wikipedia's ethos and policies, back off and let someone else add the links if they find them valuable, per WP:AVOIDCOI: "Avoid editing or exercise great caution when editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with..." There is no great urgency here, right? If your arguments are persuasive, someone else will buy them. de Bivort 00:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)