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I took a look at some of the other private colleges of Tennessee articles and many of them are about the same size as this one and they aren't considered a stub. Anyone have any objections to de-stubbing this article?

Department section addition[edit]

I am a student at Tennessee temple University and will be adding a list of the departments currently in TTU. I have to go to dinner soon, and still have a video to make before that, so I will finish the addition of the new section either tonight or tomorrow. Sculleywr (talk) 22:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Student Government[edit]

I just added sections on the new administration and student government. If anyone feels that the student government section isn't relevant to the article, then feel free to revert that part, but you shouldn't have to revert the new administration information, as it is relevant. It's not like people really look at this article that much as it is, so, at the requests of some of the students, I thought that the student government information could be helpful in this article. If the needs (or preferences of the administrators in the wiki community) of the many outweigh the needs of those few TTU students, then feel free to cut it out. -Rlee1185

Connection to Falwell Ministries[edit]

My father called me last night, he is retired and lives in Cleveland Tennessee, about 40km North of Chattanooga, and he told me he's working for Tennessee Temple University now, renovating three dormitories that have been unused for a decade. He then went on to say that Jerry Falwell Ministries (or Liberty University) was funding the project, and had sent someone down from Virginia to either assist or take over the administration of Temple, which has enrolled some 200 new students.

I came to Wikipedia for the details, and was surprised to find no mention of these changes, nor on the University website, or at Falwell Ministries or Liberty. Does anyone know anything more than I heard from dad last night (Aug 11)? -- Caulds

I think one reason about the lack of info on the changes is that most students who are knowledgeable of such infomration do not have the time or inclination to edit a wikipedia article about the school, as most of them barley use it at all, much less take the time to edit articles. I know most of the teachers are wary about Wikipedia, thanks to bad press from uninformed radio, print, and tv journalists that say that wikipedia is riddled with errors. I always counter their arguments that wikipedia is almost as reliable as the Encyclopædia Britannica.

rlee1185 22:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

True History[edit]

Doesn't anyone think that the FULL history of Tennessee Temple should be included here? For instance, the way that at one time the rules were much more strict. As well as the fact that most independent baptists distance themselves from this school and look at it as a place that has fallen from its original stature? Isn't it true that the Lee Roberson days were much different than these days? For intance, the guys and girls can hold hands now. In those days guys and girls had to observe a "six inch rule." Also the fact that most independent baptists have separated from this school due to its alliance with Liberty and the Destruction of the Southwide Baptist Fellowship. Not to mention the fact that this school and church is known to bring in Southern Baptist speakers. These FACTS should be mentioned on this page if it is truly a neutral page. Take for instance the Hyles-Anderson page. It has historical facts both good and bad including criticisms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The HAC page also has more than 19 SOURCES, many from the Chicago Sun-TImes and other large newspapers, something this page does not have (except for the Temple website itself). This is not a IFB blog somewhere - we have to reliable, verifiable sources. Also, most of the issues you have raised aren't relevant to an encyclopedia article. Also, remember that at the height of Temple's heyday in the early 70s, men like Jack Hyles, Bob Gray and sevreal others (including Jerry Falwell, btw) started competing schools. There's nothing wrong with that, but that was when there was supposedly nothing wrong with the school at that time, but that had a huge affect on Temple's recruitment in the following years. Also, note that the most "liberal" of these, Liberty University, has a larger enrollment (over 20,000) than all the other schools formed at that time, and since, combined. THe funny thing is, when most Americans think of funamentlist Christian schools, Liberty is at the top of the list. They may be more "liberal" than some other Christan colleges, but they are by no means "Liberal". Now, if you can find verifaible sources (such as non-religious newpapers, etc.) that cover the history, fine, you can add that. But all of what has been added recently, but you and others, is what is called Origial Research. Wikipedia is not supposed to use that, even tho many articles still have that.
In addition, if you or anyone else wishes to add Clarence Sexton as a notable alumni, you have to prove his notability. This is best done through a biographical article, which must conform to Wikipedia's Biographies of Living persons and Notabiliety policies. I do know who he is, but that's not sufficent. Wikipedia has standards that are to be followed. You do know what standards are, right? - BillCJ 00:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a note on the Hyles-Anderson College article: I read through it last night, and noted that lot of the criticism leveled at the school are concerning individual people, not the school itself. Someone willing to take on a big fight could remove alot of that as irrelevant. Even direct criticisms concerning Dr. Hyles should be limited to those about the school itself, and covered in his bio article (if they aren't already). It would be a big job to do, and I don't have the time or health to take on something that big right now. - BillCJ 01:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

But should it not be noted that TTU is loosly if at all associated with the Independent Baptist Movement? Most Indenpendent Baptists want nothing to do with it because of its relationship with Liberty and the Southern Baptist Speakers it has in as well as the way our beloved Southwide Baptist Fellowship has been destroyed. And as for the "standards" comment, come on brother!

No, is shouldn't be noted unless you have an independent, reliable published 3rd party source that says that. Bill is right, we have standards here. If you turned in a term paper without references backing up what you said, you'd get an F. Here you just get a reversion. The point is that you can add all the criticism you want, if it is criticism made by other published sources. That's how things work here, so either be willing to work within the system, or go start a blogspot and use that to push your views. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 03:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I was attempting to point out Bill's play on words of the word standards. It is obvious he is a fellow IFB of somewhat and he was letting me know in our own terminology what standards are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a note that TTU was recently added as an associate of the Southern Baptist Convention. This comes from the answer a prospective student asked the campus pastor Eddie Rhodes. I am trying to find out how to officially corroborate this, and such a comment will be added where I can find the most appropriate position. However, I need to figure that out first. Will do so when I have access to the school's computer network again. As a note, if anyone finds my edits on this article to be off topic or biased, please edit the biased parts to be more balanced. I am a student of the school, but, as a debater over the last three years, I have learned to value a balanced view over a biased view. If anyone wants to talk to me, I am sculleywr on Wikipedia. Just leave a note on my talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe there is a way to cite a comment such as that, as that kind of forum is not a Reliable source. If it is stated on the TTU or SBC websites, or if either of thore were to issue a press release, then that is citeable. Otherwise, it would need to come from reliable published (print or internet) third-party sources such as a local newspaper. Hope that helps. See WP:RS for further info. If you know haow to balance biased materail, even in spite of your own biases, then you'll definitly find a place here on WP. As I noted above, there are other related articles that need a lot of work to be balanced, from both pro and con biases. - BillCJ (talk) 02:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Mission Statement[edit]

I added the TTU Mission Statement from the University's website. I noticed that several other university articles included this. I think it gives a more in depth look at TTU's goals and objectives. --|Spero23| (talk) 01:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

You will not find universal agreement that university articles should include mission statements. The fact that other university articles contain mission statements does not mean that this is worthwhile content for the encyclopedia (see Wikipedia:Other stuff exists). Mission statements seldom impart valuable information about an institution, and they never are neutral in their point of view. However, most mission statements are just one or two sentences, so they don't take much space in an article. The item you quoted is labeled on the website as "mission statement," but it goes on, and on, and on some more. A statement of that length is a promotional blurb, not a concise mission statement. I deleted it; to help you understand why, see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, WP:SOAP, and Wikipedia:Do not include copies of primary sources. --Orlady (talk) 04:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


I tried changing the phrase loosley identified with the independent baptist faith to simply baptist faith because of it's website.[1]. It got reverted thinking I was being a vandal. They only claim to be baptist and not Southern Baptist. Would it not be better to label it on Wikipedia as simply Baptist? Not trying to start trouble or be a vandal, just thought it would be more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It appears to me that the school has historically been Independent Baptist, but is now flirting with a possible affiliation with the Southern Baptist Convention. See this webpage and this online article from July 2008. Salient quotations from the news article: "Southern Baptist leaders including the convention's new president Johnny Hunt are involved in a quiet move to bring the Tennessee Temple University into the fold of Southern Baptist schools. Last fall Highland Park Baptist Church in Chattanooga, Tenn., joined the Tennessee Baptist Convention after 60 years as an independent Baptist church. According to a recent story in the Chattanooga Times Free Press, Pastor David Bouler said Tennessee Temple, founded by Highland Park's longtime pastor Dr. Lee Roberson in 1946, "is also in the process of being approved as an SBC school."" And from the blog commentary: "Tennessee Temple was originally founded in the Fundamentalist tradition of Bob Jones University. From the article below, it appears as if Tennessee Temple is on its way to becoming affiliated with the Tennessee Baptist Convention, sort of a replacement for Belmont University which has just recently departed. ... A school is actually being forced to become more liberal in order to join the SBC fold." IMO, changing the article to remove the indication about the Independent Baptist affiliation would be removing important information. If the school does pursue affiliation with the SBC, the article should tell the story, not merely reflect the current official position. --Orlady (talk) 03:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

It seems that it would be more accurate to simply replace independent baptist with baptist. There is no sufficient evidence that TTU is Independent Baptist, SBC, or any other type of Baptist. It's own website claims to simply be "Baptist." —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Falwell is not an alum of TTU[edit]

On the very source linked, and as is well-known, Jerry Falwell is said to have received an honorary doctorate from TTU. He is not an alum, and never as far as I know attended TTU as a student (which is the minimum definition of alum IMO). This row of the table should be stricken. Perhaps Jerry Falwell had a relationship with TTU, and that may very well deserve a section in the page. But his row in the table of alumni is factually incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snicoloso (talkcontribs) 18:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)