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Phoenician Glyph[edit]

The Phoenician glyph also means Earth doesn't it? Should this be mentioned? --jazzle 08:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the Earth symbol is

or ♁, not

. Dan Pelleg (talk) 10:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

X-Men[edit]

looks like the X-Men symbol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.156.76 (talk • contribs)

IPA[edit]

Great, the IPA2 template here "IPA: [tˁ]" sends me to Help:IPA, which explains nothing about the pronunciation or notation of [tˁ]. Anyone up for the job? Dan Pelleg (talk) 10:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Following discussion concerning the symbol " ˁ " copied from here

Emphatic - pharyngealized / velarized[edit]

What in your opinion would be a more desirable representation of emphatic consonants, e.g. for Semitic Teth / arabic Ṭāʼ: [tˁ], [tˤ] or [tˠ]? Dan Pelleg (talk) 15:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't one IPA representation that would be appropriate from masha and the bear andfor all Semitic languages. Proto-Semitic emphatics were probably ejective while pharyngealized is more accurate for languages like Arabic, Syriac, Aramaic, and (Biblical) Hebrew. The nice thing about historical linguistics is that it's common to deviate from IPA in transcription so that you could use the transcriptions system at our article on Proto-Semitic. But I guess it would depend on what you plan on doing. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 16:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks – could you explain what exactly the IPA-symbol ˁ stands for? Does it generally stand for any kind of emphatic co-articulation, i.e. for both velarization and pharyngealization? Dan Pelleg (talk) 23:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ˁ or ˤ (if I understand correctly, the two are interchangeable) stands for pharyngealization. The character is a superscript version of the symbol for the voiced pharyngeal fricative/approximant ʕ. As Watson explains in The Phonology and Morphology of Arabic (2002) Arabic's emphatics have a secondary articulation of [+pharyngeal] (or [+guttural]), and that a non-primary feature tends to have less constriction and to involve more movement than a primary stricture. Thus, it differs from coarticulation as [w] has for many languages. Also, at least for Arabic, pharyngeal constriction in emphatics occurs in the upper pharynx while in the pharyngeals it is in the lower pharynx.

If you want to represent velarization, there is ˠ, a superscript version of the symbol for the voiced velar fricative ɣ.

If you want a diacritic that represents either velarization or pharyngealization (since there is little phonological difference), ̴, a tilde through the consonant is the official IPA diacritic, but I don't like it because it's hard to see on any consonant other than l. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 23:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. Whereas I always encounter ˤ as indicating pharyngealization, when the ˁ symbol appears here it often seems to refer more vaguely to any emphatic co-articulation, which is kind of unsettling to my sense of precision. That's what made me wonder if it officially denoted any "emphatic-ness". But if it doesn't, I feel we should go for uniformity and prefer ˤ, since it more clearly resembles ʕ, and if several variants of co-articulation apply to one grapheme, they should all be accurately listed, e.g. if the emphatic Arabic Ṣad and Ṭāʼ are sometimes velarized and sometimes pharyngealized, then their pronunciations should respectively be given as"[sˤ] or [sˠ]" and "[tˤ] or [tˠ]". What do you think? Dan Pelleg (talk) 12:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 17:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The exact pronunciation of this phoneme in the Arabic language needs to be added to the article. Simply including the IPA symbol with no further explanation is inadequate. Badagnani (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Colless citation[edit]

A citation is needed to Colless's work for verification. Michael Sheflin (talk) 21:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Math[edit]

Doesn't this symbol have a meaning in math? If anyone could tell me, it would be greatly appreciated!

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2019[edit]

Teth is ninth letter from Masha and the Bear and of hebrew letters — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.188.228.125 (talk) 17:43, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

pedagogy[edit]

Here is the authorship for the video Mish Mash Letters: Tet (ט) And Mem (מ) from https://jigzi.org/asset/play/playlist/adc49ace-0369-11ed-a786-d3e6eda567d2?draft_or_live=live&is_student=false (#4) (Archived) Created by: Corinne Ossendryver hosted at https://www.jewishinteractive.org/ji-products-services/the-ji-collection/mish-mash-letters/

Publications and websites often refer to "commonly confused letters" Dina Feitelson's Facts and Fads in Beginning Reading : A Cross-Language Perspective Archived refers to pedagogical approaches to resolve these in early literacy in first-language learners. Dina Maiben's work applies such approaches to emerging literacy in young second-language learners. See https://www.behrmanhouse.com/webinar/MaibenWebinar.pps MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 17:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Teachers use various methods when teaching second language learners this letter. Here is an English language video for children that contrasts the teth with the mem: teth's opening is at the top and mem's is at the bottom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G8JgkyjvVE MichelleInSanMarcos (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Latin theta?[edit]

I added Latin theta ⟨ϴ,θ⟩ to the list of descendants, but it got reverted, with the reasoning that "it does not descend from the Old Italic 𐌈, it directly descends from the Greek theta." But Cyrillic Fita ⟨Ѳ,ѳ⟩ still stands, despite also being descended from Greek theta. Grande1900 (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]