Talk:Tex Avery

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Early Years[edit]

You need to change the early years... It's too confusing and complex and all clustered together, not spaced out properly! CHANGE IT, CHANGE IT, CHANGE IT!!! Oh and was Tex a Baptist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.118.36 (talk) 10:49, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

"Heckling Hare" and Avery's termination at WB[edit]

I've seen unsourced references, in other material, to Leon Schleisinger's objection to the end of "Heckling" to arise not simply from the repeat of the falling sequence, but also from the closing "gag line": "Hold onto your hats, folks, here we go again!" and the possible risque significance of this line. I cannot find any explanation of why this line would be deemed risque, even to a known stick-in-the-mud like Scheisinger.

Anyone got some info.?

Famous dirty joke collected in Gershon Legman's "Rationale of the Dirty Joke." The gist is, a hillbilly family all sleeps together in one large bed, the small children wearing coonskin caps for warmth. Whenever the parents decide to make love, the eldest child turns to the others and says, "Hold onto your hats, boys, here we go again." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.98.4 (talk) 06:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Never heard a word about the last line, but Joe Adamson, in his great book about Tex (see "further reading" list in the article) attributed Avery's departure strictly to the second and unresolved falling. He says that Leon S. perceived it as Bugs' death! Ted Watson 19:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
According to one of the animators that worked on "Heckling Hare", there were three falls in the original version. Bugs had just become a sensation in the short period between "A Wild Hare" and "The Heckling Hare" - Schlesinger, a bean-counter by trade, did not want this new "golden boy" of "his" to be killed. 147.70.242.40 01:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Tex Avery Cartoon[edit]

I remember in the 90's there was a cartoon bearing Tex Avery's name in the title. Does anyone know this cartoon and it's relation too Tex Avery?

The cartoon of Tex Avery can be found in google videos by searching for tex avery, it exists, needs more detailed information tho. yet another Matt 20:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
The Wacky World of Tex Avery had absolutely nothing to do with "our" Tex Avery, other than the publicity material which declared the show an "homage" to his style (highly debatable, but I'm just working from memory). The only reason it bore his name is that the creators named a cowboy character after him. By putting the man's name on a show that bears absolutely none of his material, it makes it the biggest ripoff in the DIC syndication catalog by default. --Enwilson 23:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm unable to find anything online, but I recall when Wacky World first aired, I read that DiC obtained permission from Avery's nearest living relative to use his name. Cartoon Network did have a program called The Tex Avery Show, which consisted of toons by Avery.Just1thing 19:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The Wolf[edit]

I just reverted an edit which falsely put The Wolf in the Warner cartoons when he was used only in the MGM cartoons. Steelbeard1 17:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • There was an Avery-style wolf in one of the Friz Freleng movie theater cartoons (I think it was "Bacall To Arms"), so maybe they got the two confused. --Enwilson 01:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

"Bacall To Arms" was a Bob Clampett cartoon, released after he left Warner so he is not in the credits. Steelbeard1 01:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Question[edit]

What's the name of that Avery cartoon where this skunk really likes a lady fox, paints himself orange, and goes out with her, then they both fall in water and she is revealed to be a skunk too?

"Little 'Tinker". See [1]. Steelbeard1 14:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Photo?[edit]

Why is there no photo of Avery on this page? Surely, one of the most influential innovators in animation history should be pictured in a Wikipedian article. --Cinemaniac 01:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Avery and "Rhapsody Rabbit"/"Cat Concerto" controversy[edit]

There should be in this article a discussion about Avery's role in the "Rhapsody Rabbit"/"Cat Concerto" controversy. Avery was the one who found out that "Rhapsody" was close to completion while Hanna and Barbera were early on in the production of "Concerto" - supposedly, it was his "heads up" that accelerated the production and prompted MGM to arrange for a showing of a rough cut in a L.A. theater in time to be eligible for the 1946 Academy Awards... and win the Oscar over Warner Brothers and "Rhapsody." 147.70.242.40 01:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I have never heard any of that, but I can tell you that there was a second instance of Warners and Metro putting out nearly identical cartoons during this period. Freleng was again responsible for the WB one, Holiday for Shoestrings (1946), but this time Avery himself made the other, The Peachy Cobbler (1950). They do have very different punchlines. Ted Watson (talk) 21:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

is it really NPOV to say that the late-80's were the "renaissance of animation"? I've met many animation fans and none of them have expressed this view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.72.39 (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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Avery's departure from Schlesinger[edit]

It is well-established that the main reason Avery left the Schlesinger studio was his objection to having the original ending to "The Heckling Hare" cut. That is mentioned in the Bugs Bunny subsection. So inserting material on Avery's departure elsewhere in the article is redundant. Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Racism and Cartoons

It could be said that many cartoons reflected the times in many different ways. Many of Tex Avery's cartoons have racist overtones or are outright racist, depicting blacks and jews with all of the negative stereotypes that can be brought to bear. Some of these films have been banned but are still available online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.119.32 (talk) 13:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Avery's high school graduation date[edit]

Please discuss the date of his graduation from high school here rather than edit warring. Fred Talk 19:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

It's very simple. I've found multiple citations from multiple sources that claim 1927. I've found two, published in just the last few days, from the high school's own alumni booster department, that claim 1927. I've seen press releases about the Tex Avery Day that the school has that list 1927. On the other hand, we have a new editor who offers no proof other than his own original research that the date is different, and that editor has removed valid sources and other edits just to get his own way. I'll go with the multiple published sources. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 20:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
The school's own website claims 1927. Case closed, IMHO. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 20:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

He is a new editor who currently teaches at the school. He cites the 1926 school yearbook. "If our school has the yearbook with Tex Avery's photo in it as a SENIOR in 1926. The yearbook has his cartoons in it; and the living alumni who know about him all know that he graduated in 1926" is that just original research or does it raise serious questions as the correct date? Fred Talk 20:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

After he corrects the school's website, what then? Fred Talk 20:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Was the yearbook issued at the end of the 1926 school year or end of the calendar year 1926? I've seen schools that did that, and if that's the case, that would make him class of 1927. If that's not the case, then perhaps he screwed up and didn't graduate that year. The point is, we just don't know, other than this one guy's say-so - and on the other hand, we've got a wealth of sources, including the school itself, claiming 1927. If he goes so far as to correct the school's website, we'll see - but I think the 1927 date is correct, based on what I've been able to find. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 20:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

He suspects the 1927 date came from Wikipedia. Fred Talk 21:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

What was frustrating though, was that after I created an account for him that he did not come here and discuss this with you. Instead, as a new editor, he just gave up. Fred Talk 21:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
TheRealFennShysa notwithstanding, I've never known a high school to put out its yearbook in advance, and as I am a native Texan (going several generations back), that means something. The college I attended did do so, but the books still bore the year of the graduation ceremony (spring) not that of when the school year began the previous autumn. Furthermore, Avery would be listed in the yearbook as a graduating senior, making discussion of the presence of his cartoons and the memories of living alumni irrelevant. Also, the school's website merely makes a public relations statement about Tex on its main page which this many generations after the event could easily be erroneous (possibly just a typo); it does not include a database-type list of its graduates, which would have been meaningful. I see a high school yearbook as a citable source (it's virtually unchallengeable short of accusing the person who cites it of lying about its content), and if he does have at least access to a copy, he should make a proper citation. It is definitely not original research, an assertion that was bad enough, but "identified as vandalism" was indefensible, blatantly in violation of the "Assume good faith" rule. One other point: Until 1940, Texas public education had grades one through eleven only, no twelve. Given Avery's birth in February 1908, he would have turned six in early 1914 and should have entered first grade that September, finishing eleventh—and therefore graduating—in May 1926. That corroborates Gordon Markley's claimed yearbook and I submit that, short of at least a hint on the record that Tex somehow lost a year of schooling, this closes the case. --Tbrittreid (talk) 23:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
A few more print references for 1927: Who's Who in Animated Cartoons and Tex Avery: A Unique Legacy... I'm going to pull my copy of John Canemaker's Avery book tonight and see if it says anything... TheRealFennShysa (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Both of those books were published since the turn of this century, and consequently have the same credibility problem to this point that the school's website has; that might well be the source for both of them, in which case they wouldn't be corroboration at all. Doesn't offset the 1926 yearbook (and Avery's perfectly compatible birth date), if Markley would come back and make a proper cite to it. The same thing probably applies to Canemaker. I wonder what Joe Adamson's 1975 book on Tex says about this, if anything? --Tbrittreid (talk) 00:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I think this closes the case: Dallas Morning News. Note the third paragraph: "He [meaning Avery] first heard the line ["Eh. what's up, doc?"] at North Dallas High, where he graduated with the Class of 1926." Note further that the article is about the school and a tribute to Avery. It verifies Gordon Markley's position with the school and by extension his access to the 1926 yearbook. That's it, I am reposting "1926" with a cite to this article. --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:01, 22 February 2010 (UTC)