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Regarding the Definition of Texian[edit]

In the article it is said, "Thus, the word Texian is not specific to Anglo immigrants or English speaking immigrants that settled the land, yet Texian refers to anyone of any color and language not of local Tejano heritage." Does this apply to peoples of African, Asian and Indian ancestry as well? If not, then it only seems to apply to Western Europeans... Stevenmitchell 04:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

There were certainly African-American Texians, and at least one from Columbia (I don't know the ethnicity). See for example:
http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/Demo.htm which says: "Kerr's bonded servants who came to Texas were among the first black Texian immigrants" "Texian" refers to any of the "Johnny-come-lately" immigrants to one of the chartered-to-an-Anglo colonies, without regard to ethnicity. Indigenous Indians were neither; not Tejano and not Texian, but "Texian" could theoretically be applied to a Native American immigrant to a colony if there were any (similarly for Asians, if any - there are no known Japanese Texians; the first known Japanese Texans showed up in the 1880s). In other words, "Texian" referred to any immigrant to the colonies who did not join the Tejano culture, but instead joined the new cultures forming in the colony areas. Conversely, an Anglo who assimilated into the Tejano community wasn't really a Texian (although their ancestors probably claim it nonetheless). Studerby 07:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The article remains unclear on this matter. If different definitions have been used by different people at different times - which is very likely - the article needs to indicate when, how and by whom each was used. I suspect that a key linguistic point is being missed with regard to Spanish v English. Anyone who adopted English might be included with a broad definition of "Anglo-American", regardless of ethnic origin (e.g. immigrants from Germany), and anyone who adopted Spanish was in some way aligning him or herself with Mexico, rather than the Texians. Greg Grahame (talk) 19:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just discovered that Tejano refers to what are now called Hispanics, not as I had assumed to a group of what are now called "Native Americans". This article is very confusing to those of us without any background in American identity politics, and it needs a thorough rewrite. Greg Grahame (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
First, a RfC (request for comment) is now taking place-- and you are invited. Go to:
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for the Threaded Discussion within the "Texan or Texian?" section.
Second, like me, the late Herbert Fletcher (the primary source used, at present for this article) was an amateur historian. I am not better, but I have better (modern) tools which refute some of Mr. Fletcher's atricles.
* On his research, we currently have: "Texian was the preferred demonym, used by Texas colonists, for all the people of the Republic of Texas, before it became a US state."
No. A survey of documents referring to Texas indicates that "Texan" was used at least as often as "Texian" through 1836, and about twice as often through 1846.
* The article, citing Mr. Fletcher, goes on to say, "This term was strongly favored by early colonists and public officials, including a majority of Texas residents,"
No. "Texian" was not even favored, much less strongly. 833 uses of "Texan" to 822 uses of "Texian" when either is used exclusively, appear in a search of Google Books published from 1800 through 1836.
It may be that the idiom was regional, but a more extensive study would be required to suggest why Texan was used by some and "Texian" used by others. I recently noted Juan Sequin used "Texian" when addressing the Spanish speaking residents of Bexar, Tejanos, as an "us with the English speakers" but also uses "Texan" in other writing.
I am not an expert on the term, but the data available does contradicts some of the assumptions made by Mr. Fletcher. The Handbook of Texas Online is notoriously slow to edit, and I believe his Texian and Texan articles mentioned were in the original bound version of the Handbook, and are probably at least fifty years old.
Modern research of multiple sources makes those articles obsolete and the data now before us, makes them, at times, inaccurate.

--cregil (talk) 17:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

confused[edit]

>> Texians is a name for immigrants from the United States That would be emigrants from the united states Emigrants from the united states to Mexico who hoped to what? Immigrate to Mexico; claim the land for America; establish a new territory; flee america? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.14.203 (talk) 23:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Just passing by-- but an easy one to answer: They did not claim the land for the U.S.. Prior to 1836, Texians were citizens of Mexico, not citizens of the United States. And it was Mexican politics, not U.S. politics which drove Texas, and other Mexican states, to rebel in the Mexican Federalist verses Centralist conflicts. Only Texas succeeded in that rebellion. The U.S. was not involved in Texas until 1845. --cregil (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)