Talk:The Apprentice (U.S. season 11)
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Why are there two articles for this. I suggest merging them:
Don't be so sure of all these listing of contestants, with the show still yet to tape we may still have some surprise contestants in store. --Cooly123 00:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Star Jones has leaked here http://www.bvbuzz.com/2011/02/15/star-jones-talks-nene-leakes-barbara-walters/?icid=maing%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%7C44284 that her charity is the American Heart Association. Could someone please do the editing? I really wouldn't know what I'm doing.
Episode 5 results posted???
- The same was just posted for episode 11. I've removed it. Let's not post speculation, folks - if there is not a legitimate citation, then we can't put it in the article. Also, I'm not sure where the source for the Week 10 teams is - as an East Coaster, the "next week on" was entirely lost to me, and the NBC website version of the episode doesn't include that bit. So perhaps it's already known who is on which team for Week 10, I'm not sure. It's not so "spoilerish" as posting who won and who was fired, though, so I'm leaving it. -Etoile ✩ (talk) 23:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Jose Canseco and "Quit"
There have been some editors who have changed the "Quit" for Jose Cancesco to "Left" or "Withdrew". It really does feel to me like it is in a different category than Vincent Pastore in Season 7 and Michael Johnson in Season 9. Trump didn't give either of them any money for their charity. I'd personally prefer "Left", simply to avoid making that column bigger on the chart.Naraht (talk) 20:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Episode 9: Shear Madness interruption
It makes no sense to mention the show was delayed but not add three extra words on the reason. Yet it can be added that "Although La Toya Jackson came up with her team name, she fumbled with their acronym in the beginning." Like that's really worth noting. — 07:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Episode 10 Notes
I just added a couple of notes about last night episode, just wanted to know if they're approved, and if not, why. Maybe they're a bit trivial, but I've seen many like it on previous seasons' notes. I can help with editing if needed. --ArturBenthos (talk) 04:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- There was an Apprentice Season 10 it was just not a celebrity edition. The numbering comes from the whole series not just the Celebrity version. The Apprentice (U.S. TV series) has a list of the seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnorton7558 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
As I write this, I have the episode paused. Donald fired her and called her a quitter! To me it was the same sort of official firing that people get for not formaly quitting, like when they just leave and walk out without ever coming back and without giving any explanation in Real Life. Ergo the official employment record would state that NeNe was terminated while she would tell everyone she quit. I bring this up, because the chart that someone made has her listed as "QUIT", while the notes section has a line about three firings. If I didn't know who that was, I'd wonder why the chart didn't reflect that fact. So could someone please make the chart make more sense in that regard! Or have a new category, "Fired for not quitting correctly." Thanks! Leo Star Dragon 1. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- While I have not seen the episode, as I am at work though will when I'm home :), I will say that I don't think we should make a new category for this because she was either fired or she quit. IMO it should be weather Donald Trump said his signature "You're Fired" or not. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 06:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- I will have to disagree. If you watch the episode, the timeline of events is NeNe quitting, and -- subsequently -- Mr. Trump's signature "You're Fired." This particular "You're Fired" is different, though, because NeNe had already quit when Mr. Trump delivered his message to the camera. Now, if you quit and then, at a later time, your boss says you are fired.... how is there any confusion here? Mr. Trump did not say "She was fired." He said, in the present tense, "You're fired." Therefore, if the timeline of Ms. NeNe's quitting and subsequent firing is accurately captured in the episode, by which I mean what you see is the real timeline of what happened in real life, then this is a clear case of QUIT based on her quitting and his use of the present tense in "You're [You are] fired." However, with all of this said, if Wikipedia considers it "to be fired" whenever Trump says "You're Fired" (regardless of whether the contestant has already quit), then the listing of FIRED would be correct. I cannot take an opinion on the matter because I do not know the precedence that editors consider between Mr. Trump and a contestant. Finally, the rules of the show may state that even if a contestant has quit, being fired by Mr. Trump trumps that quitter's quitting and for all records and files it shall be noted as a firing. Wikipedia, which is it?
- Wow! Someone actually followed up something I posted! Thanks! But anyway, to clarify, Donald first called her a quitter and then fired her, so that was the reason for him firing her. As for the whole quitting versus firing part, I should've clarified that I guess, but explaning that in every workpalce I've been in thus far, as far as management and the Law was concerned, quitting without proper notification doesn't count as as "proper quitting", hence why you get terminated for it and don't receive benefits. I know several guys who thought that their not showing up was clue that they quit, while the management, for all they know, those guys died or got sick or couldn't otherwise call in. I also know several gals who almost got terminated for not calling in sick, et cetera, and some were assumed to havbe quit without notice, and those girls would ay that if they were to quit,they'd let the boss know. Plus, I know one guy who didn't tell the unemployment agency that he got a job, and that was why he didn't call in. He says he didn't know that he was supposed to tell them that he got a new job and that they should've had a clue! But he learned the hard way when he applied for benefits again, that he was supposed to have updated them the last time, that the reason he didn't do his weekly job search results call-in, was that he got a new job. So to summarize, if you don't call in or show up to explain decision, then it doesn't count! Only their word matters and counts on your employment record. By the way, for those of you who've never witnessed an interview for Social Security benefits activation, it isn't just taxes, and history, when your employment record counts! They have a record of it too and they ask you about each and every period of unemployment in your history, once you start an employment history. So I knew all of that when I was asking for clarification here! NeNe may have told the camera crew she quit, but she didn't explain her walk-out to her team or to the boss. So just like it would in Real Life, that got her "fired"! On a humor side not, did any else see those posted signs about NeNe being missing?! Leo Star Dragon 1. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 11:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Marlee Coming in second place
When Mr. Trump announced John to be the winner, he first said "I'm going to do something different". I believe this meant that he wasn't firing Marlee, but announcing that since they both did a great job, John won, and Marlee placed second. Therefore I do not think that Marlee should be labeled as fired, but as runner-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- No, he doesn't always "fire" the runner-up but the label never changes. Whatever Trump meant, it's up for interpretation. --Tam001 (talk) 03:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Based on what was put in Season 9, aka Celebrity Apprentice 3, he did the same type of thing where he never told Holly that she was fired but announce that Brett was Hired but that is the same thing on the show as firing the other person. Unless he actually announced two people as "hired" then the runner-up is thereby fired since he did not "hire" 2 people. I have put back in that Marlee was fired and changed the note to the same format that was used on the Season 9 page. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I just want to thank whomever I need to thank for the clarification about what Mister Trump did different! I was expecting him to hire them both, but when he didn't, I was stumped abotu what it was he did differently thatn before. Well, now I guess I know! He didn't point at Marlee and tell her she was fired before then saying John was hired. Instead, he delivered the line differently about who won and thus spared Marlee's feelings. (She was all smiles during the moment while John looked tense, or at least to me he did.) However, this whole, was she fired or is she a runner-up issue, hmm. I can just imagine Marlee herself having a say on this, based on her choice regarding who got the money in that one episode. But anyway, as for me, the term "runner-up"/"runner up", thanks to all of those beauty pagents I saw a long time ago, implies to me that should John Rich be unable to fulfill his duties as The 2011 Celebrity Apprentice, for whatever cause, then she is eligible to step in and take the title for herself! But with "Fired", I don't think she would be. (By the way, given the origin of "firing", referring to villagers burning someone's home down as a clue to get them to leave the village, can you imagine how the celebrities would react if their stuff was burned by the others as a clue for them to leave?!) By the way, NeNe's method of quitting because her emotions got the better of her, is not the same as having to leave for a medical/family need, so I wish the charts would stress that! Oh, and were there only 3 missing from the finale? They mentioned Hatch's imprisonment, but I didn't notice the others not there until I came here to see the updates. Leo Star Dragon 1. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 11:29, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- We do not know what Trump meant by saying that he was doing something different. It could've meant that he was finally naming a country singer the winner which he hadn't done before either. So listing what he said he was doing differently is completely OR so should not be speculated unless we have reliable sources. In past seasons it has always been that who ever was not named the Apprentice or Celebrity Apprentice was listed as fired. In the last season of Celebrity Apprentice, as I pointed out above, Holly was also never told she was fired but we list her that way. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
- Bull. It doesn't matter what past Wikipedia practice has been. The speculation here is those who say she was fired unless it says otherwise. It is a fact that he never told her she was fired, and those who say it should be regarded as a firing are the ones guilty of OR. If it says anywhere on Trump's or NBC's website that Marlee was fired, fine, but otherwise, the speculation (and it is just that) that she was fired needs to stop and the label changed. (which I've now done) 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:43, 28 May 2011 (UTC)