Talk:The Asian Saga

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Comments on the Article[edit]

First, these are novels, so I don't know what kind of references you are looking for someone to cite. Secondly, for people who haven't read the actual novels, someone needs to explain what a "tai-pan" is before diving into a whole list/discussion of them. Mr. Shoeless (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Plus, there should be something about critical reception, a summary of how the novels compare to historical events, etc. Boneyard90 (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Canonical list of former Tai-Pans[edit]

Short of digging up James Clavell and asking him, is there not a canonical list of Tai-Pans of the Noble House? There is a partial and hotly debated list in Noble House and some clues can be pulled in from other sources such as Gai-Jin. Did Clavell leave behind any notes, style guides, etc., or did the estate ever authorize anyone to write the definitive history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkendr (talkcontribs) 15:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

How did Linbar Struan become Tai-Pan?[edit]

How would Linbar Struan become Tai-Pan with all of his weakness? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.122.168.34 (talkcontribs) 23:55, 17 August 2005.

A quote from Noble House on the requirements for becoming tai-pan:
The tai-pan alone chooses his successor who shall be selected only from an Inner Court of six men. Of these, one shall be our compradore who shall, in perpetuity, be from the House of Chen. The other five shall be worthy to be tai-pan, shall be good men and true with at least five whole years of service in the Company as China Traders, and shall be wholesome in spirit. They must be Christian and must be kinsmen to the clan Struan by birth or marriage-my line and my brother Robb's line not taking precedence, unless by fortitude or qualities over and above all others.
It's entirely possible he was the only member of the Inner Circle who met all the requirements. Several other candidates were eliminated by death and by being suspected of espionage, if I remember the series correctly. JubalHarshaw 16:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Book order[edit]

The chronological pattern was represented ... "it is therefore possible to read them in virtually any order", huh? ... the published order is no where to be found ... but is important. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 23skidoo (talkcontribs) 01:38, 21 March 2006.

You're right. I'm going to rearrange them into order of publication. Since they're not necessarily meant to be read in the order they take place anyway, this seems like a more natural listing than the current one. Binabik80 (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Origins and Officialness of "Asian Saga" Not Cited[edit]

It isn't at all clear where and when the term "Asian Saga" comes from and a few Google searches have turned up no information. Thus, I added a "citation needed" flag to the article. A lot of instances of the term on the Web simply point to Wikipedia as its origin which isn't much of a citation since someone could have just made it up.

The article should state what the origin of the term is. Was it a publisher? Was it Clavell himself? Has this term appeared on or in any of the actual printings of the books? (It doesn't appear at all on or in my edition of Shogun (ISBN-10: 0-440-17800-2).)

How official is this term? If it's not endorsed by a publisher or from the author itself, the article should term it "unofficial".

Other than stating that this term was used after Shogun was published, it also provides no time-frame for its use nor is the source for that vague time-frame cited.

—Patrick Garies 06:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

My copies of the books (only have Gai-Jin on me at the moment, but it was the '94 edition) says "The Asian Saga" on the side. I can't speak for the origins, but it is an official or semi-official title of the series. Certainly the best we have. 72.226.54.235 (talk) 06:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

note 3[edit]

"The two Scragger boys are Frederick (a Eurasian) and Albert (a pure blooded Englishman).[2] In their papers, Dirk Struan wrote down a name for the boys. The Eurasian Albert was originally given "Albert Chen," but the European Frederick insisted they be given the same name." That's contradicting itself -- who was Eurasian? (Haven't got the book here, maybe someone else can take a quick peek) Also, I noticed that the name "Scragger" returns in "Whirlwind" as one of the pilots (an Australian). This could be another easter egg connection... Too bad Clavell didn't leave a lot of notes like Tolkien, his "universe" is nearly as complex. --84.164.98.89 (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)