Talk:Mars Ill

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No Fame was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 05 June 2014 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Mars Ill. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Merge[edit]

The manCHILD article is in bad shape, mainly just being a list of guest appearances. I recommend that any useful information from that one, be merged into Mars ILL, since they appear to be about the same people. --El on ka 17:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Even though manCHILD is one half of Mars ILL, he is totally autonomous from the group, and is currently working on solo projects. Wardomatic (talk) 05:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can third-party reliable sources be provided, which prove that manCHILD is independently notable? --El on ka 18:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look into this as soon as I can. Thanks, --Wardomatic (talk) 06:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've added a reference from PerformerMag which interviewed manCHILD about his new method of selling music independently, as well as his official announcement on Mars ILL's forum back in Feb. '08 about this new venture. I know that forum links are iffy, but I can contact manCHILD himself to get any other sources, if needed. Also, I have to say that I'm not big on the long list of his guest appearances, as it looks ugly, but, apparently his fans are big in knowing which songs he's performed on. If there's a better, more concise way of showcasing this info, I'm game. Thanks again for the heads up on this article. Although I've not done any work on it (aside from the new paragraph), I'm willing to clean it up and make it more presentable and get it up to Wiki standards. --Wardomatic (talk) 08:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

manchildinsider.com Go there, and you will realize that Gregory Owens has a huge following and active work outside of Mars Ill. Here, he releases 5 songs a month for subscription users. The users design the album art. So, DO NOT MERGE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.29.143 (talk) 04:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved, per discussion. - GTBacchus^(talk) 16:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mars ILL → Mars Ill —

Capitalization fix per WP:CAPS that is currently a redirect. Aspects (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'Oppose. OK usually, but here in Wikipedia's usual sans-serif font the asked new form "uppercase-eye lowercase-ell lowercase-ell" looks like the Roman number III = 3. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support move. Yes, the word Ill looks exactly like the roman number III, but I don't think that's how we should decide on how to name our articles. The group's name is written without all caps in most sources I looked at (eg. [1], [2], [3]), and they spell their name as Mars Ill on their official site (as seen via archive.org). This page does use the all-caps version, but it seems the most common spelling is just "Ill". Jafeluv (talk) 20:36, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here are three bands that have "Ill" in their title with just the "I" capitalized: Ill Chemistry, Ill Niño and Ill Repute. Aspects (talk) 23:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merger discussion[edit]

Many of this band's album articles can be merged into this article. Merge tags are present on the article page. Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the material is simply track listings. Not particularly important to save.

If it has no WP:RS, delete. Do not merge.

If it has only one RS, such as AllMusic, keep the material and merge.

If more than one RS can be found, keep the article where it currently is. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Results of my g-hits search for RSs for albums:

- Raw Materials: Cross Rhythms, JFH news article (at the bottom of page), CCM Magazine, 76, 79, RapReviews.com, JFH review, Rapzilla, Phantom Tollbooth.

- Blue Collar Sessions: Patheos - contains a review of a song from the album, CMJ, 18.

- Pirate Radio: JFH

- Backbreakanomics: (Allmusic already included, so I won't list that one). CCM Magazine, page 48, Cross Rhythms, Phantom Tollbooth, HipHopDX, Rapzilla, Jesus Freak Hideout

- Sound Methods/SM 2.0: JFH

- Pro Pain: CBN (review, listed under "M" section, interview), several Cross Rhythms articles ([4], [5], [6], [7]), Allmusic, Rapzilla, JFH, Crosswalk

- Old Ironsides: JFH

- No Fame: nothing

- Slow Flame: Cross Rhythms, JFH

Comments: All articles for what are essentially the same albums should be merged into one (for instance, Sound Methods, Raw Materials, Backbreakanomics). No Fame should be deleted. I don't know if Sound Method, Old Ironsides, and Pirate Radio should be merged with Mars Ill or not. Slow Flame could probably be merged with Pro Pain, like the Gravity Remix EP is included in the article on Lecrae's Gravity. All the others should be able to have their own articles (Blue Collar Sessions has only two sources, but those are probably enough to warrant a separate article).--¿3family6 _contribs 17:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The ones that have either charted or have been reviewed should be left and expanded with the information contained in them. The other ones that have not should be deleted and the track listings kept on the discography page. This is about all you can do for this band.HotHat (talk) 22:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I carried out these merges, going off of User:3family6's sources for which albums should have their own articles. For the ones I merged, I actually just redirected, because the only thing in the articles was a track listing, and it seems like we usually don't keep track listings in discographies. --Cerebellum (talk) 09:04, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mars ILL edit[edit]

The band Mars ILL has always officially gone with the capitalization of "ILL" - as I mentioned in my earlier edits from long ago, so as to clarify the name, as well as an aesthetic issue. Greg and Nate (Mars ILL members) have always liked it that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardomatic (talk • contribs) 21:09, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I moved this from my talk page.

There was a move discussion above. At best, we can indicate that it is stylized as 'Mars ILL, but unless there is a good reason for moving it back (which would require a discussion) what the band members like does not supersede English grammar. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:40, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the argument that you're using, then we would have to go in and change all band names like Boyz II Men, Outkast, Led Zeppelin, Def Leppard, et al. Band preference supersedes English grammar if it's a stylization of a word or name. Especially if it's a name. - Wardomatic (talk • contribs)

Bands may select to intentionally misspell words, but we still use English capitalization for their articles. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) is what we adhere to. not the stylization a band prefers for capitalization. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:45, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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