Talk:The Charge of the Light Brigade (poem)
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I have moved the information about the poem to this page, and am going to work on making it into an article. There isn't a whole lot to write, but I think it deserves a page by itself, so here goes. --Mathwizard1232 02:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I know I've seen some artwork on the internet about this famous charge, but can anybody confirm it is in the public domain and then post it? (or try to get the author to put it under the GPL) Sire22 16:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- What sort of "artwork" were you thinking of? There are some paintings and pictures of the battlefield in the main article about the Charge of the Light Brigade -- SteveCrook 18:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- The use of Fenton's "In the Valley of the Shadow of Death" is erroneous. 1
The poem itself
The poem itself must be in the public domain by now. Why not just include it on the page? - 22.214.171.124 22:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- See WP:L&P. The poem is probably too long for this article. There is, of course, a link to the Wikisource which includes the full text. --Midnightdreary 03:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- The article is about the poem, but I don't think it's sensible to include the whole thing - that's what Wikisource is for. It makes especially little sense to include it in the article about the charge itself. I've removed the text from both articles. Hairy Dude (talk) 13:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Nope, fun (read stupid) wiki rules. It was considered (by someone) to be to long for the article. Lord knows, it is perfectly acceptable and encyclopedic for an article to refer to a line in a poem and not tell what the line acually is. Sadly, I can not list the third stanza of it from memory. Only one poem I could, actually.
07:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Strife
Why no mention that it's actually a very bad poem? It is metrically unsound, it has no musicality to speak of, and the diction ("someone had blundered") is just plain awful. The poem only survives (and was only ever popular) because of the patriotism it appealed to and aroused, certainly not because of any artistic merit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- Especially since the poem is actually a meditation on the conflict between patriotism and common sense. It's as much an anti-war poem as it is a celebration of British national pride. Also, technically Wikipedia isn't *supposed* to contain any simple opinions in the body of the article. Now, if you wanted to create a section for the article entitled "Criticisms", that'd be fine, but you'd also find yourself swamped with criticisms OF the criticisms. And it's not supposed to be "metrically sound" -- it's supposed to have a basic form which is interrupted by incongruous and jarring parts, much the way a mounted charge in 19th century warfare would have sounded. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
...or maybe it's a celebration of heroism, valor, and courage, sans anti-war message. This very thing, an imagined anti-war theme, is asserted in the article (first paragraph), with no citation - such a conclusion is a personal interpretation (and one not supported by the text of the poem). But props on pointing out that the rhythm is done that way on purpose - I think you're absoultely right. Also, use of the word "blunder'd" is one of the most brilliant strokes in the poem. Not only is the word jarring (to steal your word) but the ungainly sound is evocative of its meaning, that a serious mistake or error has been made... one that would cost many brave souls their lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Thin Lizzy connection
"Massacre" based on "The Charge of the Light Brigade"? Are you kidding me? The song is obviously about Indians. I mean, the intro melody has a pretty "indian" feel, mention of buffalos and canyons - standard western motifs. Or, just listen to what the guys from the band have to say (around the 2:15 mark). I'm gonna remove that line from the article. Roda (talk) 21:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
There is another reference in popular culture: Peter F Hamilton has one of the characters in "Judas Unchained" (volume 2 of the Commonwealth Saga) quoting lines from this work while they chase the Starflyer, trying to prevent it from escaping to its ship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I added a small topic about IPC. Apparently there has been some content before and deleted since so not sure what the policy will be here. A comment about youtube-linking though. I understand that my source probably violates copyright but I can't imagine how one can source some TV material without doing so? Ghen.eu (talk) 22:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
Unto the valley of Death Rolled the six hundred?
My memory says so.Unfortunately, i do not have references for this. Can anyone put it the correct way? alpamati 11:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by V.narsikar (talk • contribs)
opinion in the summary
He was the poet laureate of the United Kingdom at the time of the writing of the poem and the work reflects his compromised ability to express anti-war, populist sentiments while still reflecting his patriotism and remaining in the Crown's favour.
This sounds very much like an opinion, and needs some citation or source. Does not seem like it should be in the introductory section of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't sound like an opinion, it IS an opinion. Further, the poem is not about a conflict between patriotism and common sense but about military disciplin and common sense, or rather, military disciplin and self preservation. In the heat of combat soldiers do not fight for patriotism but for their comrades, their "unit" their regiment. That is the inherrent strength of the British miltary system, as true today as it was during the Crimean . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:42, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The 1923 edition used for Wikisource which has "the soldiers knew" differs from Tennyson's own manuscript here: http://web.archive.org/web/20070407071840/http://etext.virginia.edu/britpo/tennyson/TenChar1.jpg which seems like a definitive primary source. His handwriting is reasonably clear, so I have corrected as per WP:QUOTE. Straw Cat (talk) 11:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)