Talk:The China Study

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fish[edit]

The authors conclude that people who eat a plant-based/vegan diet—avoiding animal products such as beef, pork, poultry, fish, eggs, cheese, and milk, and reducing their intake of processed foods and refined carbohydrates

There is no evidence, and plenty of evidence to the contrary, that fish belongs on that list. And there's nothing in this article that indicates how the authors drew their conclusions from the study or that the conclusions are warranted by the gathered evidence. -- 68.111.35.169 (talk) 02:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

There is evidence that fish is not a health-promoting food. See [1]Calclements (talk) 22:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

reception section[edit]

I reviewed this today and made a bunch of changes. First, sorry for my first edit on the Willet/Hu thing.. i missed the boat that they were responding to a critique by Campbell of their earlier study. Fixed that now. But the description of Willett's response was just off - the content in our article made it seem like Willet was dead opposed to Campbell and that Willet flip-flopped; neither is borne out by the sources. There were 2 reviews of the China Study book by non-notable reviewers who were also non-expert in nutrition which I deleted. Strange choices. Added 2 recent reviews that cite China Study papers. Happy to discuss. Jytdog (talk) 01:43, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, I'd like to put back two of the reviews (Arnold and Hal Harris). I'm also not sure about the addition of the Lanou paper. I've only glanced at it, but it seems to make the mistake of conflating vegetarianism and veganism. Campbell writes about the latter only, and while some researchers use the term vegetarianism to refer to both, this paper doesn't. I'd also like to restore Campbell's point about the Nurses' Health Study being one of the chief sources of public misinformation about nutrition. SlimVirgin (talk) 15:56, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Slimvirgin, thanks for talking! Can you please reason with me? I'll put the questions separately so we can discuss them in turn.Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Why are the two book reviews that I removed notable in your view? (I explained why I think they are not, in my earlier comments)Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I was looking for book reviews of the China Study book by relevant experts in the medical literature and have been having a hard time.. I guess you already looked?Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, why repeat that rather flaming criticism by Campbell in a section on reception, when it is already stated above? It seemed kind of tendentious to me, to repeat it.Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
  • With respect to removing the secondary medical source (Lanou), two things:
    • 1) it cites him positively which is a validation of his science;Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
    • 2) Campbell has insisted that he is not into labels, so why emphasize the distinction between vegetarian and vegan in article about his book? I know the distinction is super important to some vegans and vegetarians but why push that onto this, to the point of excluding one of the few high quality secondary sources (as per WP:MEDRS, what we want) that cites him? Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for talking! Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, sorry for the delay in responding. I have some real-life things that are keeping me offline at the moment. I've removed the Lanou and Dean studies. The Lanou study seems to be about vegetarianism. This isn't a question of labels: vegetarians eat animal protein and animal fat – in fact, they tend to eat more of the latter than meat eaters – whereas the book is about avoiding animal products entirely. Similarly, the Dean study didn't seem to be about Campbell's work; in fact I couldn't see where he was mentioned. I've left the Hu/Willett paragraph, but I'm not sure I see the point of it in a reception section about this book.
I restored the Arnold book review because he's a professor of biochemistry, so it seems appropriate. SlimVirgin (talk) 16:17, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

This is not a real conversation. I'll work on other things!Jytdog (talk) 16:33, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/