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The Edge should be capital "T" or lower-case "t" in running prose?[edit]

Closing per a WP:ANRFC request.
There is a clear consensus to use "the Edge" in running prose. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:35, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

After the the Beatles capitalisation discussion was closed in favour of lower case "the" in running prose, I am wondering whether this biography should follow suit. Should we always capitalise The Edge, or should we use lower-case the in running prose, for example: "As a member of U2 and as an individual, the Edge has campaigned for human rights..." Binksternet (talk) 16:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Lower case. Plenty of sources can be found for capitalised The Edge. It's clear that many available sources use the capital form in running prose. However, many quite reliable sources do not, perhaps an equal number. Bono often refers to his bandmate as "Edge", dropping the. For instance, Bono is quoted saying, "It was the sound of Edge's spaceship as he came to be with us." Spin magazine confirms he is "just 'Edge' to his friends, thanks". These two examples show the relative unimportance of the definite article—I don't think we should treat capitalised "The Edge" as a sacred formulation. I think we ought to settle on a particular house style, and the example given by the Beatles RFC gives guidance. Binksternet (talk) 16:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I cannot recall the album, but during a live recording of "Bullet the Blue Sky" Bono says, "I don't want to bug you. Play the blues Edge" so the definite article is not part of the subject's name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • RfC comment. I came here from the RfC notice, and I have no prior or ongoing involvement with this page. I went back and read the Beatles discussion, and I find that I agree with Binksternet's well-reasoned argument for lower case. I that that analysis correctly reflects current consensus and practice on Wikipedia. --Tryptofish (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak support for lower-case, just for consistency. The case for "the Beatles" (rather than "The Beatles") is actually weak and wrongheaded; the vast majority of bands with this form of name capitalize "The" in it, and usage in mainstream sources is all over the map, so using lower case for such names here is a PoV-pushing exercise. However, if we're going to arbitrarily impose lower case for "the" at the beginning of band names, it should also be done for individual stage- and nick-names as well as band names, instead of there being a double standard.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  00:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC) Revision: Actually, strong support in this particular instance for lower case, because "the" is clearly optional, even according to his own bandmates. I hadn't caught that bit, but it's well-sourced in comments above.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  00:51, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Support for lower-case "the" and for dropping it from the article's name completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I really need that username (talkcontribs) 20:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Lower case for consistency. Undue emphasis on the definite article typically denotes uniqueness or extraordinary significance. The artist clearly does not intend that. -The Gnome (talk) 20:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Lower case. "I saw the Edge with the Beatles in the White House in the United States of America." All of these are names, not titles, so "the" isn't capitalised. By the way, after the Beatles decision, why doesn't Wikipedia capitalise all its band names this way? Or newspapers, or pubs, etc? Popcornduff (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Lower case, definitely. Having a "the" capitalized mid-sentence strikes me as awkward. I understand why some may oppose this, but this isn't terribly common in entertainers' names on a person-to-person basis and should be treated as "the Beatles" would be. LazyBastardGuy 00:57, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources for lower case "the Edge"[edit]

Sources for mixed use, both lower case and capital[edit]


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.