Talk:The Sopranos

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Most financially successful[edit]

Prior to this change the introduction claimed

"The Sopranos is the most financially successful series in the history of cable television"

without any cited reference. The reference should include an explanation about just what that summary statement means. It's fine to have such an introductory assertion as long as details are provided somewhere in the article, probably in either the production or reception section, depending on what the criteria is for "most financially successful"... 68.165.77.245 (talk) 00:57, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Someone inserted a couple of sources for this claim, but I just checked them and neither actually do support it, so I have removed the superlative claim about financial success. 99.192.61.219 (talk) 02:18, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

"11.9 million viewers is right answer!"[edit]

I should like to apologise to User:68.165.77.245 for my "undoing" his revision ( March 8 ) regarding the matter of the 11.9 million yesterday, and also, to thank AV3000 for reverting my incorrect action later yesterday. I had noticed this edit's bouncing to and fro, previously, and made the mistake of not checking the facts. The final episode, "Made in America", was filmed in February and March 2007 and marks the first time Chase has directed an episode since the pilot. It attracted 11.9 million viewers on its premiere date. The initial critical response was mostly favourable and since the episode's original broadcast that appreciation has grown considerably, ranking it as one of the best television finales. The episode was nominated for a Directors Guild of America Award and won an Emmy Award for writing and an Eddie Award for editing. "Made in America" and its closing scene have been the subject of discussion, criticism and analysis; parodies of the final scene have also appeared in popular culture

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow-up. 68.165.77.245 (talk) 17:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Overwritten[edit]

A main article doesn't need every single tiny minute detail exhaustively explained. This is completely standard operating procedure across WP:TV, and the obsessive nature of the Season 6 summary is a complete detriment to the article. Please justify reverting my trim - there is no "precedent" clause on Wikipedia. 108.45.142.234 (talk) 22:33, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

An experienced editor does not have to "justify" reverting the deletion of a huge block of text, this is standard operating procedure. When you were reverted you should have posted here, rather than revert. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 04:31, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
If you continue, I will report you for edit warring. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:59, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
For what it's worth, as someone who has been uninvolved here, I think 108.45.142.234's edits improved the article; I agree that it was overwritten. Can we discuss instead of edit-warring? Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 18:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I am all in favor of a discussion, but the anon. needs to check his attitude and stop reverting. That one comment above, and the comments he has made in his edit summaries, are not helpful. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 18:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Cast list in infobox[edit]

I'm sure this has been discussed a bunch of times previously, but I've somewhat recently finished watching the series and plan on making some edits to the page. I've noticed the infobox just list five actors from the show, which seems a bit odd. I know the series has a very large starring cast, and I'm not suggesting to add every actor who was featured in the opening credits. My suggestion (at the very least) is the addition of Dominic Chianese, Tony Sirico, Robert Iler, and Jamie-Lynn Sigler. Adding those would be then be all the actors that were credited as series regulars for all six seasons. That's pretty reasonable. It just seems very odd why they're not included, especially when the infobox lists series editors who don't even have Wikipedia articles instead of listing the obviously more notable list of actors who played major roles. My second suggestion would be adding Aida Turturro, Drea de Matteo, and Steve Schirripa, who were all also essentially part of main cast for most of its run. That would bring the list to a clean dozen, and the 12 actors with the most episode appearances. At the very least, those four should be added. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't do it!
You are correct—all been said before.
The clue is the line following the five listed: and others
<!-- Partial list by consensus on talk page. Please DO NOT ADD to this list. --> Regards, — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
What's the reason though? How is someone who edited 20 or so episodes of the show who doesn't even have a Wikipedia article more important to list in the infobox than Dominic Chianese or Tony Sirico? Come on... The actors are the most important pieces of information when it comes to a TV series. The infobox should reflect the most important things. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
It is all recorded in the archives—look it up! Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I've looked through the talk archives and read the conversation, and it didn't seem like there was any consensus to this, unless I'm missing something. Sorry to stir up an old conversation, I just feel pretty strong regarding my suggestion, as it's quite reasonable. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I was involved in the earlier conversation, and was very much in favor of the truncated list. That said, I would not object to the addition of the first four names you mention, for the reasons you give. But, I would object to adding the other three. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 02:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, as long as those four actors get added, I'm happy. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
I feel that I should concede to that, providing it stops there. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:25, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, looks like we're in agreement—Chianese, Sirico, Iler, and Sigler can get added to the infobox. Before I add them, what order do we use? Since I notice Falco is listed second, although is billed third after Bracco (though I understand why you guys list her second on here). Either we use the billing order (Gandolfini, Bracco, Falco, Imperioli, Chianese, Van Zandt, Sirico, Iler, and Sigler) or the order on the official website, which is the same except Falco is before Bracco and Sigler is before Iler. We shouldn't mix and match like how Imperioli is bumped up. Final thoughts? Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Follow the billing order — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Production[edit]

There seems to be some info missing ... notably why the series ended. Was it always planned to only be 6 series? Similarly most of the production notes only seem to go to the pilot and nothing after that, surely ther must have been something that happened during the years it was produced? Chaosdruid (talk) 23:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)