Talk:The Vanguard Group
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Can someone substantiate the claim this article "is written like an advertisement"? For the most part, the content seems quite factual with few POV statements. If no one can provide multiple specific instances of POV language, I will remove the tag within a week. Rtcpenguin 19:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think that Vanguard funds are awesome, safe investment choices for nearly everyone. But there are no negative or opposing points of view in this article! I think Vanguard is great, so I am not the right person to write about the negative aspects.
- Also, there is a ridiculous lack of references in this article. There aren't even sufficient references to corroborate some of the claims, not even on Vanguard's own website! Which isn't the appropriate place to source an encyclopedic article to begin with. I am trying to address some of this, as I am repeatedly referred to this Wikipedia article by people regarding the supposedly mutualized nature of Vanguard as a company, despite the fact that Vanguard itself doesn't make such claims, not explicitly. --FeralOink (talk) 09:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
"Empirical evidence for the Efficient market hypothesis."
I have removed the sentence
This is empirical evidence for the Efficient market hypothesis.
since it is untrue.
I do not doubt the accuracy of the empirical evidence. However, the fact that 75% of fund managers are unable to "beat the market" does not logically entail the truth of the efficient market hypothesis. All it suggests is that 75% of fund managers are unable to "beat the market". This could be for any number of reasons, inter alia, they are incompetent, they do not have access to full information, EMH is true, etc., etc.
Soobrickay 21:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Another user added back an similar sentiment, without an edit summary, and still uncited:
- These findings are consistent with the Efficient market hypothesis.
- So I followed your example and removed it. After all, these are not findings of cause and effect, merely observations based on hindsight. It could mean simply that fund managers have the same valuation of stocks as retail investors and pension funds. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 23:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello. This article has some external links but it was unclear where and if they are the sources for the article. So I added a "noreferences" tag. OK from my point of view to change or remove the tag. Best wishes. -Susanlesch 02:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've reworded the opening sentences of the History section to address what I think are inaccuracies. I don't have time to track down citations now, so if you really think it's necessary slap "citation needed" but please don't revert back to an inaccurate wording.
First, you can't invest directly in an index. Not then, and not now, and this disclaimer usually appears in so many words in the prospectus and descriptive marketing material of any index fund. The first Vanguard index fund didn't even invest in all 500 S&P stocks, and even today "total market" index funds use sampling techniques.
Second, John C. Bogle and his colleagues did not invent the index fund or create the first index fund. What he created was the first index fund sold to individual investors. Index funds were relatively new at the time, to be sure. They were institutional products available only to pension funds. Bogle was an innovator, not an inventor. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)