Talk:The Young and the Hopeless
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Apparently it went 3x platinum. Should that be mentioned? --220.127.116.11 06:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Joel Madden, lead vocalist of GC does not appear in the credits. Is this deliberate? Seec77 08:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
It's catagorized as "Emo". Is there any source saying that or is somebody just having a stab in the dark. Good Charlotte sure as hell don't sound emo to me. :)
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BetacommandBot 05:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
The article says has a clear 80s influence, then goes on to cite some very weak evidence - claiming the picture is of people watching 'The Day After' in the 1980s when everything else in the image indicates the 50s or 60s; the only evidence being a nuclear explosion, not anything solid like the title frame of the programme. The next piece of evidence is 'Lifestyles of the rich and famous', named as an 80s show, when it ran from 84-95. And My Bloody Valentine - the group - had their biggest hit with Loveless in the 90s. It looks to me like original research to support the opening sentence, unless there's a reference to back this stuff up. --Bazzargh (talk) 11:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Forgot to mention the Young and the Restless reference too - broadcast since 1973, still going, no 80s connection there. --Bazzargh (talk) 11:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Responding to the anon who removed the OR tag. I put that there for the whole paragraph (see above) but the sentence about 'My Bloody Valentine' has several problems. As well as claiming a tenuous 80s connection (with no reference) it goes on to say that it 'could be' a reference to the film or the band. It also could be a reference back to the Cole Porter song My Funny Valentine, as the film was. Or it could be they just picked a phrase they overheard to write a song from, and its not a deliberate allusion to one or the other. We simply do not know without references, like the band mentioning something in an interview. What could be mentioned here instead that the song describes a murder, but that it does not follow the plot of the film, since this is easily verifiable.
Basically that para should be removed, its fancruft. Reviews of the album don't mention an 80s theme at all; instead picking on themes of class, teenage rebellion against authority, etc. They also talk about the music's derivative nature (though several describe it as 'fun') and the article doesn't even mention that this is by far the band's biggest hit. There's plenty that can be said there about the album without making stuff up. --Bazzargh (talk) 11:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
How can you write that The young and the hopeless has sold more than 26 000 000 million copies worldwide since 2002? Where did you find this funny information?