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Questionable citation[edit]

I have restored a "dead link" from Haaretz, which relates the experience of a concentration camp inmate from Thessaloniki: "Auschwitz inmate who survived by boxing dies aged 86". www.haaretz.com. Retrieved 16 August 2011. I noticed that the article is not itself about the statistics quoted from the article, but rather about the boxer and his experiences, so perhaps a more reliable source of these statistics should be found.Fconaway (talk) 07:03, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Sister cities etc[edit]

This section should be organised either alphabetically or chronologically... --E4024 (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

Thessaloniki
Θεσσαλονίκη
Thessalonīki
The White Tower
The White Tower
Location
Thessaloniki is located in Greece
Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki
Coordinates 40.65°N 22.9°E / 40.65°N 22.9°E / 40.65; 22.9Coordinates: 40.65°N 22.9°E / 40.65°N 22.9°E / 40.65; 22.9
Government
Country: Greece
Administrative region: Central Macedonia
Regional unit: Thessaloniki
Districts: 6
Mayor: Yiannis Boutaris  (Independent)
(since: January 1, 2011)
Population statistics (as of 2011)[1]
Urban
 - Population: 790,824
 - Area: 111.703 km2 (43 sq mi)
 - Density: 7,080 /km2 (18,336 /sq mi)
Metropolitan
 - Population: 1,006,730
 - Area: 1,455.62 km2 (562 sq mi)
 - Density: 692 /km2 (1,791 /sq mi)
Municipality
 - Population: 322,240
 - Area: 17.832 km2 (7 sq mi)
 - Density: 18,071 /km2 (46,803 /sq mi)
Other
Time zone: EET/EEST (UTC+2/3)
Elevation (min-max): 10–250 m ­(33–820 ft)
Postal code: 53xxx, 54xxx, 55xxx, 56xxx
Telephone: 231-xxx-xxxx
Auto: NAx-xxxx to NXx-xxxx
Website
www.thessaloniki.gr

My argument for changing it to the "Greek Dimos" template (which i do not understand how it can be "amateur looking" when it has headings and is not overloaded with info, that can be later found in the article) was that it is clearer for people wanting to have a quick browse, having urban, metropolitan and municipality populations/areas/densities in order, under a heading, as there is for government info, other info and website. Instead of now again, where you have areas/densities, then elevations, and after that populations, with no headings. Also do people really think there needs to be information like patron saint and GDP (when its not actually for the actual city, but for the regional unit) on the infobox of the city?

Can users please come to a conclusion on which infobox may be better. I stand for using the "greek dimos" one for reasons stated above and as this is also the one used for all other Greek cities, including Athens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.9.94 (talk) 14:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Population figures[edit]

(moved here from misplaced posting at Category:Thessalonikis 2011 final population cencus results. – Fut.Perf. 16:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC))

Hello

The Hellenic Statistic Agency has released the final demographics statistics after 2011 census. The total population is for 2011 1,110,312 and not 1,006,730 inhabitants as you mention. Also the contiguous built up area forming the "City of Thessaloniki" has a population at 840,450 inhabitants and not 790,824. Last the municipality of Thessaloniki has 325,182 inhabitants and not 322,240 as you mention.

You can check it at the official report at

http://www.statistics.gr/portal/page/portal/ESYE

or go directly at

http://www.statistics.gr/portal/page/portal/ESYE

on column number 07

Please try to correct your information. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpatsi (talkcontribs)

Just to note that 1,110,312 is for the whole peripheral unit of Thessaloniki which also includes municipalities that are not part of the metropolitan area (etc dimos volvis). I would make the effort to change the numbers but I'm on my phone atm and wont be able to reference properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.9.94 (talk) 12:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thessaloniki picture[edit]

I think the picture that shows the White Tower only needs to be changed. This picture here is much better and of good resolution and shows 6 Thessaloniki landmarks/monuments.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Thessaloniki_collage.jpg

If you see the Wikipedia page about Athens it contains a picture with many landmarks instead of just, the Parthenon for example.

Please have a look at the previous discussion at Talk:Thessaloniki/Archive 4#Infobox image 2. Last time this came up, the prevailing opinion was that editors preferred a single image. Fut.Perf. 17:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I insist though that it's better to use an image with many landmarks. Thessaloniki has many other nice locations and in my opinion as a Greek/Thessalonian who lives in Thessaloniki the White Tower isn't as good as the others. Aristotelous Square for example and the church of Hagios Demetrius which is one of the oldest churches and a Unesco World Heritage site. Or the city walls {also Unesco World Heritage sites} Another great one is the statue of Alexander the Great which is the tallest statue in Greece.

This image style {many locations, landmarks} is used in most other known cities. Paris, Rome, Sofia, Athens etc

I disagree about using many images. First of all, you cannot possibly compare Thessaloniki's looks with Paris, Rome or even Sofia. These cities have kept their beautiful architecture in contrast with Thessaloniki which has systematically wiped out almost all its pre-60s heritage. The choice of the White Tower was not because it is *the* most beautiful structure in the city but rather because it is symbolic of the city itself. With regards to Alexander the Great, that one seems to me like a case of "my penis is bigger than yours" with the Skopje page, which also displays a statue of Alexander. Alexander the Great had absolutely no relation with the city, he died years before Thessaloniki was founded, and the inclusion of his statue in the gallery section is good enough in my opinion. --Philly boy92 (talk) 15:20, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I think you're wrong. We're talking about a city with 15 Unesco World Heritage Sites. There are the walls, the Upper Town (isn't that heritage of Thessaloniki? the upper town? It's perfectly preserved and along with the walls it makes a fantastic atmosphere) Arch of Galerius and Rotunda, Aristotelous Square, the Byzantine Churches and monuments, the Roman archeological sites, hundreds of statues and of course the White Tower with the huge promenade. Although I agree that the Statue of Alexander the Great seems a bit like it {the penis theory} in truth that statue is important because it's the tallest statue in Greece and a symbol of the city and Macedonia (Greece). Thessaloniki is the capital of Macedonia. As I live in Thessaloniki I can tell you that most tourists go under the statue to get a picture. And they know about it, it's on their places to visit list. Anyways, I'm good with using it in the galleries section but still, I can't see how the English Skopje page can have it since historically (officially, since we're talking about Wikipedia) they have no link while we can't have it front page when he was the brother of Thessalonike of Macedon. But anyway, as I said I'm good with the galleries section ;) At least they use it as "warrior on horse", the official title they gave it.

It is our duty as citizens of the world to remember the Jewish population of Thessaloniki and honor the thousands of people who lived there for hundreds of years.[edit]

46.12.109.70 (talk) 15:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)I strongly agree, but I'm not sure that this statement belongs in an encyclopedia.

  1. ^ Detailed census results 2011 (Greek)