Talk:They Don't Care About Us

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The controversy always strikes me as peculiar - as in a very clearly articulated section, Jackson sings that Roosevelt would not have allowed it (paraphrase) - FDR was backed and supported by a sizeable enough proportion of the jewish community that it is historically acknowledged - viz FDR's Wikipedia entry: 'Roosevelt was backed by a coalition of voters which included traditional Democrats across the country, small farmers, the "Solid South," Catholics, big city machines, labor unions, northern African Americans, Jews, intellectuals and political liberals. This coalition, frequently referred to as the New Deal coalition, remained largely intact for the Democratic Party until the 1960s' (Leuchtenburg (1963) pp 183–196.). No-one seems to mention that. Jackson cites FDR and Martin Luther King as heroes against melodic and uplifting segment of instrumentation. Open to discussion on this, but query the proposition that MJ was expressing anti-semitic views or propaganda via these lyrics. I'd need more explanation of exactly how the lyric is anti-semitic. MatiusLi (talk) 14:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Where are the sources for all this information? I'm writing a research paper and would really like proof that MTV took the video off the air, etc etc.--65.185.191.51 18:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)kickasskat

I have traveled to both Rio de Janeiro and Salvador da Bahia. Talk to any brazilian and they will tell you that the video was definitely shot in Pelourinho (downtown) Salvador da Bahia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.227.175.62 (talk) 01:12, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

American music video[edit]

Didn't the American version of the music video depict Michael Jackson as walking in a military parade, reminiscent of a Nazi parade? -- Anon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.231.10.106 (talk) 18:58, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

No that was the "teaser video" for the same album, a promotional video for the anticipated album, it was accused by some of being reminisant of communism, but I think Jackson just wanted people to no he was the king. It was amazing to see and the reason I bought the album. Realist2 10:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Huh?[edit]

The firestorm ignited over the "Jew" and "kyke" lyrics overshadowed another line containing a potentially-offensive lyric that was never censored in any version. The line "hick me, kick me" is present in all versions of "They Don't Care About Us". Separating the music from the vocals yields irrefutable proof that Jackson clearly says "hick me, kick me" in the song.

How is "hick me" offensive?

Anyone know why two different versions of this music video were made? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.82.227 (talk) 06:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Links to use[edit]

Lyrical contoversy[edit]

Commentary on reaction[edit]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=neaB76iFhCEC&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html Page 151-152, Spike Lee says there is a double Standard, OK to say Nigger but not Kike. (DONE)

Commentary outside of lyrical controversy[edit]

Commentary on shanti town music vid[edit]

Commentary on prison version[edit]

Chart performance[edit]

http://www.mjvisionary.com/mjvisionary.html - Top 30 in US, reached #4 in UK and spent 3 months on chart. (DONE)

Genre[edit]

This is a hard song to categorize in a genre. Usually the songs on wikipedia are sloppily labeled as just "Pop" which is careless. But how is this raggae?

Per the sourcing in the article. Just read the article, it's all sourced. :) — R2 12:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Heavy metal as the genre doesn't make sense. And it isn't sourced. MsBlackworld (talk) 17:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

AEG Video[edit]

I believe that this is the song featured in the 2-minute video clip of Michael Jackson rehersal for "This is it." Singalitle 04:15, 02 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.210.131 (talk)

Credits[edit]

This page needs a credits section, like all his other singles. Can someone with the liner notes in their house do this please?Kansaikiwi (talk) 11:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Rerecord?[edit]

The article indicates Jackson re-recorded and replaced the offensive lyrics with other lyrics, but the versions of the song I keep hearing actually have a censoring sound effect over the words. No mention of this in the article? TheHYPO (talk) 15:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Hidden Lyrics[edit]

There is a hidden lyric in the song which should be posted: "Don't say that I fucked a baby". It can only be half-heard at the very end of the song. Mjfan98 (talk) 02:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm more than sure it's just a collection of random adlibs. Unless you can provide some reliable sources, then it cannot go in the article. Pyrrhus16 16:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure about the videoclips?[edit]

You guys sure the Brazilian version was the first music video filmed for the song, as stated in the article? A lot of sources claim otherwise, the cover of the CD-single depicts Michael in his prison-uniform, and the Brazilian version has a loud drum sound over the "jew"-part of "jew me, sue me". You sure nobody messed up and turned around the two different versions? Mr.Samba-boy (talk) 23:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

True reference for "They" and "us"[edit]

I couldn't find any direct references in this article to which "They" and "us" are referring which are the first and last word in the actual title of the article. I found only some indirect mentions and a direct mention by another musician (Tupac Shakur) which is somewhat unrelated and also paraphrased. I have seen many articles and videos where Michael Jackson himself states exactly what "They" and "us" are referring to. I also notice there are no mentions of the artwork used in the video clip of the music, particularly referring to the symbolism depicted as graffiti. For example, here is a link to a video which mentions some of the references, also with Michael Jackson among many other speakers: YouTube video — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.127.36.184 (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2014 (UTC)