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Band Name Origin[edit]

Any info on how the Name "Thin Lizzy" came about? Amendezg (talk) 00:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

There's a section on that in the article, towards the bottom. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Picture on Article[edit]

Something thats bothered me on my last few visits to wikipedia has been the picture on the thin lizzy article. I feel personally that having a picture of the group during the Lynott/downey/gorham/robertson era would be better suited than the current line up.

Danny275 (talk) 23:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Writing style, POV on "reformation"[edit]

The reformation section does not point out that after the departure of Downey from the tribute line-up, no original band members remained. The matter of the Sykes/Gorham/Wharton/Mendoza/Aldridge band using the name "Thin Lizzy" still remains a point of contention among fans.

The rest of the article does not read like an encyclopædia article; it has too many superlative and emotionally-biased words in it.

71.241.67.240 (talk) 10:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

It's bothersome to me that the article seems to place the "reformed" Thin Lizzy on an equal footing with the actual, original career of the band, as though having Phil Lynott in the band was just a brief transitory phase. 70.183.63.108 (talk) 16:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It would be bothersome if the article were written as a fan praise page and not as a cold neutral article... like a good encyclopedia should be written. It's not a memorial. It's an information page. The longer the reformed band stays "reformed" and adding to the entire Thin Lizzy history... then the more content will be added to compliment that longevity. There are lots of online fanpages for fanboyisms. POV praising has no place here. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 17:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


Dual guitar[edit]

In the article: "This style was later refined and popularised by bands of the emerging New Wave of British Heavy Metal, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden especially. The latter group in particular has praised Thin Lizzy extensively and even covered the song"

Not exact. Priest's 1st album, Rocka Rolla, which prominently displays dual lead, and especially their innovation of dual rhythm, was released by the time they recruited a second guitar. Eric Bell left before the completion of "Vagabonds" and Moore recorded the rest but they didn't record together. For Nightlife, Robbo did most of the job, and Gorahm joined when all was nearly finished. AS I said, Priest had the album out before even Gorham was hired. www.jpfo.org

No mention here of Gary Moores contribution i.e. 'Still In Love With You' which muddies the waters even further if you are to believe the previous statement. A lot of the twin guitar work on this album sounds too coherent to me for a large part of it to be overdubbed. I'm prepared to accept the recruitment timeline but I do feel the band went into a recording studio armed with 2 guitarists an 90% of an albums worth of songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.168.235 (talk) 20:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you're driving at here. The article says that Judas Priest later refined the dual guitar style etc.. "later" as in after Wishbone Ash, not after Thin Lizzy. That's the meaning of the sentence. Apart from that, Moore did not participate in the Vagabonds sessions - Bell left after the album had been released. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Plus, the article clearly mentions Moore's recording of "Still in Love with You" as featured on "Nightlife". Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Eric Bell did a lot of in-studio "dual guitar" overdub work, on all the albums he played on. This is evident right on Lizzy's debut album, on tracks like "The Friendly Ranger at Clontarf Castle" and "Look What The Wind Blew In" – and even on "Whiskey". Gary Moore did similar guitar work on "Sitamoia". Gorham and Robertson didn't initiate that sound within the band – it was already established.

71.241.67.240 (talk) 10:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

i'm sure i recall a refence made by or about lynott being keen on the twin lead guitar idea with reference to the yardbirds, although it's not the thing that springs first to my mind in connection to that band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.14.22 (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I removed the reference to Motorhead and added Judas Priest in. Motorhead are mostly known as a power trio and have rarely had two guitarists. 74.85.203.157 (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

"One-hit" US-centric[edit]

The term "one-hit wonder" relating to "The Boys Are Back In Town" has got to be US-centric since that was the band's only "hit" in the United States, and the band never really toured much here as a result. However, they had quite a few hits in Europe, particularly in Ireland and the UK, and had solid cult followings in Australia and Canada. There is also a surprising number of fans here in the United States who have a substantial Lizzy collection, though much of this has to be obtained from Canada or overseas since most of the band's catalogue is no longer in print by American record companies.--MarshallStack 22:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

It's total crap, I think the person that made that hasn't ever head "Jailbreak", "Whiskey in the Jar".Fentoro 04:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Not a one hit wonder at all[edit]

Notable songs/hits include "Jailbreak", "Whisky in the jar", "Boys are back in town", "Rosalie", "Sara", "Waiting for an alibi", "Dancing in the moonlight" etc etc exolon 23:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Point made[edit]

Guys, I think the point has been made. User:AlfredG hasn't made a contribution since August last year and User:Arvatov came and went in November last year. Don't lose any more sleep over it. Not the most popular band ever but certainly noteable and not a one hit wonder. SilentC 23:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The Peel Sessions[edit]

Should Thin Lizzy's Peel Sessions album be included in the discography? Maybe under live albums? -- Borb 18:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I would say yes, add it in under live albums. MPalangio (talk) 18:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Lizzy on TOTP, November 1979[edit]

Can anyone tell me, exactly who was the lead guitarist alongside Scott when the band performed the single Sarah. I listen to the band but have never known at all times who performed what and I don't recognize the guitarist to the left. It must have been then that Snowy White joined the band but this doesn't look like him, and it doesn't appear to be Gary Moore either, whom I think left the bad the same year, obviously Midge Ure didn't have longish curly hair. Sorry if I appear ignorant. Evlekis 12 May 2006

That guitarist might have been Dave Flett - he was a brief stand-in before White came along, but I haven't seen the footage so can't be sure. Bretonbanquet 20:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It is Dave Flett and the drummer is Clive Edwards from Brian Robertson's band 'Wild Horses'.

Phil O Phil O 23:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Wah on lead "distinctive and influential"?[edit]

To fair this wasn't a novel technique (e.g. Jimi- Voodoo Child (Slight Return))

Certainly they weren't the first to use the Wah with Jimi Hendrix and Cream-era Clapton both being very influential. I do think the Lizzy approach was quite different and had a different sound. Clapton would rock back and forward using it quite directly, Hendrix used it as additional expression by varying depth and rate but the Lizzy approach was quite different again. The Wah pedal is an expression pedal rather than a straight effects pedal and is almost an instrument in itself so I think it's fair to say that the Lizzy style was distinctive and influential. It is certainly more like the type of Wah heard in the late 70's and 80's generally than any of the earlier examples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.161.6 (talk) 10:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Best Known song[edit]

The article twice states that 'The Boys are Back in Town' is their best known song. Most people I know when I mention Thin Lizzy immediately say 'Whisky in the Jar' and I notice this charted higher in the UK than the other song.

This is just the US perspective Vs British Isles view once again. 'The boys are back in town' is a staple in US classic rock radio stations and shows up regularly in TV commercials, and once in a while you hear 'Jailbreak' on the radio, but 3,000 miles to the east, I would have to agree with you that 'Whiskey in the Jar' comes out on top. I think the article could be clarified to make that clear.Dmccabe 03:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Although I don't have any reference for this, it was a well known fact that Phil Lynott despised the fact that Whiskey in the Jar was their most popular and best known song. They never played it at any of the 7 or 8 concerts I went to and requests from the front row for it to be played, were met with comments like 'No we're not playing Whiskey in the f***ing jar'. I think Phil was always frustrated by the fact that their most successful song was not an original Lizzy composition, nor was it in what he considered to be, their trademark genre. Far Canal 05:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Genre[edit]

In case anyone is inquiring about "heavy metal," it is simply there due majority of traditional metal bands on Wikipedia having "heavy metal" under their respective genre boxes, and Thin Lizzy shouldn't be an exception. Just thought I'd clear that up. --Ryouga 01:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not starting an argument, and classifiying bands is always beyond my patience, but I'd say that only "Thunder and Lightning" was Heavy Metal, with "Renegade" being somewhere on the way to HM. Nothing before that was anything like it. Bretonbanquet 20:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Just like a lot of other early hard rock bands with the metal tag, they are not completely "metal." In all honesty though, they are more metal than bands like KISS and Led Zeppelin, who also receive the label on Wikipedia. That is why it should stick. Although I agree that they are basically a hard rock band, the metal part is still there, minimal or not. What they lack in "metalness" they make up for in immense influence. (Also, being listed in the Encyclopaedia Metallum must indicate some degree of metal, they are pretty elite when it comes to bands allowed.) --Ryouga 23:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't disagree with the tag, and I would definitely agree that their main claim to "metalness" lies in their influence on other bands, and that they're more metal than KISS and LZ. I think the problem lies in defining metal and controlling which bands get the metal tag on Wikipedia - lots of people add it where it's not warranted, and take it off where it should be present. Very difficult! Bretonbanquet 18:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, however, as long as it's a classic rock band that influenced metal, I'll be ok with it. I just dislike having any mention of "metal" on nü metal, modern rock and metalcore band pages. But as we all know, Lizzy is pretty deserving of the title, if we include the influential bands. --Ryouga 21:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what other people think, but a lot of the early stuff (e.g. Thin Lizzy and Shades of a Blue Orphanage) and some of the older stuff as well, (e.g. Got to Give it Up, Parissiene Walkways and even Dont Believe a Word) is pretty bluesy, not just in playing style but in lyrics as well, so shouldnt that be added? Just a thought. Juice07 (talk) 00:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

speaking as an old-timer i'd say LZ invented HM which has some extravagantly pitched vocals to match guitar. an early band like AC/DC fit that but seem to prefer a less limiting description. 'sweat'Inge (talk) 11:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Zep were more hard rock than metal, even for the era, and were simply louder blues, and most experts in the subject would never dare to say the Zep invented HM. The unique HM sound, in their opinion, was invented by Black Sabbath, tripled with two other bands that released albums very close together, Deep Purple, and Uriah Heep. Lizzy is considered HM not necessarily for "heaviness", but for the HM structure of their songs, thus their heavy influence on future hard rock and HM bands. Sounds about right, but opinions are what they are.Neonblak (talk) 13:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Lizzy are best catagorised as Hard Rock Opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Member, personnel list and info box[edit]

Sorry - the infobox MUST mention Phil.

The lists seem excessive - is it really necessary ? Or could we have a simpler format ?

And that box - really, Phil should be as big as everyone else.

-- Beardo 02:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It doesnt look good having Lynott & Downey and "and various guitarists" (which isnt correct anyway, as there's a former keyboardist). I Think the infobox should either just have "See Personnel" (Lynott is already mentioned in the infobox in the photo caption, and also in the 2nd line of the article) or have every former member listed, regardless of the number (See Iron Maiden). Ezenden 04:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Technically the more recent incarnation of the band's a totally different band. We could have the article effectively divided into two (on the same page still, mind), with a seperate info box in each. So call the new one "The New Thin Lizzy" or something. (The Elfoid 11:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC))

They havent released any new material, they just play original Thin Lizzy. It features members from the original incarnation. Its the same name, same emblem etc and as every source, includng this very Wikipedia article will tell you; they 'reunited'. So how exactly is it a "totally different band"? Are you seriously suggesting every band that reforms without all its original or "classic" members should be considered a new, seperate entity? If so, good luck on attempting to edit the endless number of band articles where this situation has occured. This article clearly points out the difference between and the history of the Lynott Lizzy and post-Lynott Lizzy; there is no need to create a fictional "New Thin Lizzy" band. Ezenden 14:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe that with Lynott as the only constant member, he at one point may have held legal rights to the name. Which would mean the name was passed on. (The Elfoid 16:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC))

i am trying to find out who phil was married to thanks seemly he had a well known father inlaw

It's in the Phil Lynott article. Bretonbanquet 19:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't wish to upset the apple-cart peeps but there really should be no mention of any 'incarnation' of the band after Philip Lynott died in 1986. Once he was gone, any hopes or dreams of the band 'reforming' were well and truly lost.

What has been out there touring on and off since 1994 is a truly a fictional "New Thin Lizzy band" and neither they nor the album - 'One Night Only' - they released, should be included in any history of the band Thin Lizzy.

Phil O - www.thin-lizzy.info, www.philip-lynott.com Phil O 23:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Currently, Midge Ure's stint as guitarist is mentioned in the text but he is not listed in the band personnel.

Smcleish 12:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


The Farewell Tour[edit]

Thin Lizzy's fairwell tour was in 1983. Not 1984. Thin Lizzy never had any gigs in 1984. Their last show was in Nuremburg September 4, 1983. This is easily verifiable so I'm not sure it was reverted back to 1984 after I had changed it once. Thin Lizzy never existed after 1983. The5thhorseman 19:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

sounds about right, i recall seeing grand slam on the status quo end of the road bill at selhurst park in '84. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.14.22 (talk) 19:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Citations & References[edit]

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 09:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism[edit]

The Wikipedia Article "thin Lizzy" is similar to the article http://artists.letssingit.com/thin-lizzy-h21kq/biography

The copy is likely in the opposite direction and the linked article is a Wiki mirror. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 21:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

hi[edit]

this is jordan i need help how do you work this i dont no who you talk to people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skully999 (talkcontribs) 18:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Worst page[edit]

This is one of the worst pages I have read on Wiki. It is a disgrace that such an important hit band which was one of the biggest touring bands in Europe in the Late 1970s is dealt with so badly. The problem appears to be that there is a touring group trading on the name and reputation of Lynott who was a very important songwriter and performer. Lizzy without Phil is really just a tribute band.

There are thousands of articles , several books and lots of web resources that can be used to correct this.

thought I was logged in on my page edit , have done so now.

Opiumjones 23 (talk) 23:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

This page needs serious attention[edit]

On further reading of the page I suggest that all info re Lizzy post Lynott's death be moved to a new page about the modern tribute band. The classic original band should be dealt with in a page called Thin Lizzy. The other should be called Thin Lizzy minus Phil Lynott or something like that. This page is a disgrace!! It is a completely messed up misrepresentation of the history of a very important band. Obviously written by a pr person for the touring cover band using the name Thin Lizzy. There is a legal side to their use of the name but I dont think there are articles. Regardless this page must be stubbed and rebuilt.

Opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The page can't be edited like a Phil fanboy. Wikipedia is suppoased to be an encyclopedia of verifiable facts. Not a fansite. Lynott is dead. And there is still a band legally touring under the name Thin Lizzy. This is something they do with the blessing of Lynott's family. There is lots of webspace for you to create a fansite for Phil Lynott. But it won't be here. Peter Fleet (talk) 00:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Peter you use edit summery's like " The Who, along with The Beatles and The Kinks, are one of the best example of how 'pop rock' can still be good." are you serious. The Lizzy page sucks , and as you will note from the top has serious errors that have been noted by other users. Don't be a metal snob. The article needs seriuos work. Remember this is an encyclopedia not a fansite!!!!~Do you use any ciations on your edits or are they are just opinion?Opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Band web sites are not considered good sources. Neither are their Mammy'sOpiumjones 23 (talk) 00:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The previous editor's note is valid. The band is still active under the name Thin Lizzy. They are not listed or marketed as any sort of tribute band. Libs 01:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The article needs work, and I'll start on it soon, hopefully with civil input from everyone else here, and anyone else who has something to offer. As for the status of the current band, it's not in dispute as far as I can see. Bands carry on without their leaders all the time. It'll be a lot easier to provide sources to confirm the current band's identity and legality than it will be to disprove it. Verifying that the current band are fraudsters or a cover band will be impossible, although anyone is welcome to try. Bretonbanquet (talk) 02:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

"In 1996 latter-day Thin Lizzy guitarist John Sykes decided to try and re-assemble Thin Lizzy, presenting the band as a tribute to Phil Lynott's life and work."

This quote is from the article, NB it is not referenced but does use the almighty phrase "tribute" ie Tribute Band. Enough said. I will leave to you to sort out. Don't want the Keranng posse stepping on my winkle pickers. Opiumjones 23 (talk) 11:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The standout phrase there is "not referenced". Anything that is not referenced will go when I get around to that section. I am working on the article, in one of my sandboxes, but I haven't got around to the current band yet. I doubt it'll be a long section to be honest, but the sources I have refer to the current project starting out as a tribute to Lynott. That doesn't necessarily make it a tribute band, because tribute bands generally do not contain any original members of whatever band they're a tribute to. It's semantics, but hopefully we'll end up with something we're all happy with. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Neutral, factual and cited is pretty good place to start. I think the original conflict between the first two editors was that the page must continue to convey the fact that the band "are" and not the band "were". There was an attempt to degen the page into a Phil Lynott fansite as opposed to a Thin Lizzy encyclopedia article. Which, in the end, is what the page is to be. I am a librarian. I sometimes have electronic access to pro publications/interviews that are only available in snippets online. Let me know if I can assist. I can't guarantee I can get anything specifically. But there is literally tons of that stuff floating around our system. The Real Libs-speak politely 15:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I totally agree that this article went off the rails somewhere and became some kind of Lynott tribute page... there is already a Philip Lynott article and that would be the best place for people to test their tribute-style edits! Hopefully this article will be more band-orientated without belittling Lynott's overwhelming contribution to the band. Soon hopefully I'll edit in what I've done, and you and everyone else can pull out bad bits, add in bits I've missed out etc, and make sure it's encyclopedic and well-sourced. I'm not trying to give some kind of perfect, untouchable precis of the band's history, just a basis for a decent article :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, this article has now received its "serious attention". Hopefully we can use this as a basis for a decent article, if people are happy with it. If they're not, well let's talk about it :o) Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

On a quick-view of the re-write, the article looks like a well structured page with a decent number of citations. I am not going to pick it apart for wording. I am confident that the prose is balanced and readable simply based on the experience of the editor who contributed the new content. The Real Libs-speak politely 22:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI The Greedy Bastards[edit]

1978, Steve Jones and & Paul Cook from the Sex Pistols, plus Phil Lynott Scott Gorham, Brian Downey, & Gary Moore, plus Jimmy Bain (Rainbow / Dio) & Chris Spedding, played as The Greedy Bastards, Opiumjones 23 (talk) 11:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

That will be included in the revamped article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Style[edit]

needs work, e.g. one night a little to familiar and vague?

No offence good work otherwise Opiumjones 23 (talk) 23:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

"One night" is as exact as we're going to get, I'm afraid, and it's accurate. The band began on that night rather than over a period of days. A native English speaker? Forgive me if I am somewhat amused by that. I am as native as they come, and my English is just fine. Any grammatical errors there will almost certainly be typos. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Second para two sentences begin with As, Opiumjones 23 (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, that's what I get for changing a sentence without reading the rest of the paragraph. That paragraph, incidentally, is about the only thing I didn't really change too much from the previous version. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
sorry i think we are both editing the same thing and edit conflicting I will leave it to you Opiumjones 23 (talk) 23:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
No, it's fine, really. That paragraph is something I should have worked on rather than left as it was. Hopefully between us, we've arrived at a decent result. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Slane Castle[edit]

The interesting thing there is that Thin Lizzy were the first rock band to headline at the site. The next year 1982 THe Rolling Stones played there for the first time to 80, 000 plus people.Opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:37, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Updating context[edit]

As the 'band' has now technically been going for longer without Phil Lynott than with him, I am rephrasing "The band were led throughout most of their career by bassist, songwriter and singer Phil Lynott" to "The band were led throughout their commercial heyday...". I hope no one will object to this and that people will see the basic factual reason for this correction.--95.96.146.115 (talk) 00:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Heyday? Very encyclopedic term there. Could you not choose 'peak' or 'zenith'? There are a dozen ways to make that statement. GripTheHusk (talk) 00:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the reason for change, but I think going back to the original text of "throughout their recording career" might be best, since they haven't recorded anything new since Lynott died. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

[Edit conflict] That was going to be my other suggestion, either 'recording career' or simply 'recording years'. GripTheHusk (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Johnny The Fox Album - and the first leg of the North American Tour.[edit]

Rumor has it that Gary Moore was the true Lead Guitarist on the "Johnny The Fox" Album. [Graham was the Rhythm Guitarist]

Also rumor has it, that Gary Moore was the Lead Guitarist for (at least the first leg) of their "North American Tour" of that album.

Thin Lizzy 'backed' Queen's "A Day At The Races" Tour on there Canadian (at least in Montreal) portion of their North American Tour. - I know, Because I was there.

And I 'swear' that no other guitarist but Gary Moore, could have done what that guitarist did on stage (during their concert).

No other guitarist - But Gary Moore.

Kim Miller (Mr) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.55.143 (talk) 06:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Moore did replace Robertson for the first leg of the American tour in 1977, from January to March, when Robbo had the hand injury. I did actually put that in the article some time ago. Moore is not on Johnny the Fox - fact. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Scott Gorham vs. Scott Graham[edit]

My VHS tape "DEDICATED, The Very Best Of THIN LIZZY" lists him as Scott Graham - I could be WRONG here.

Just So You Know !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.55.143 (talk) 06:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

That is indeed wrong. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Rumor also has it.[edit]

Rumor also has it.

That Gary Moore was the 'Lead Guitarist' on the "JailBreak" Album [Again, Scott Gorham was just the Rhythm Guitarist here.]

If you listen to the lead guitarist's 'punctuations' of this album, this is most definitely Gary Moore's "Artwork" at play - here.

Just My Thoughts.

(Mr) Kim Miller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.55.143 (talk) 08:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Also not true - the guitarist is clearly Robertson. Robertson and Moore don't / didn't sound anything like each other. Moore did not feature on any album between Night Life and Black Rose. Unless you have some exceptional source to prove it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Photos[edit]

The photo in the infobox is atrocious!! I'd really rather see it removed and have no photo than leave it there! I added a photo of the Robertson-Lynott-Downey-Gorham days from the Bad Reputation tour. (I initially intended it for Phil Lynott's article, but thought it better to focus on one here, even though it doesn't really show Scott Gorham and you can't see Brian Downey at all.) More will be forthcoming, for both the band and the members' articles. Oh-- I can't find a photo with Eric Bell. Anyone have one? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 00:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Totally agree on the infobox photo, and the one you have there now is much better. Perhaps the Robbo/Phil/Scott one would look good in the infobox? Great work with the photos, as usual - I can't help you with Eric, but hopefully a photo will show up soon :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Hard rock[edit]

Thin Lizzy played a lot more than just hard rock. They stretched from rock and roll to Irish traditional music, ("Whiskey in the Jar") to the blues ("I Can't Stop Loving You"). I think the repetitive use of the word "hard rock" is a bit redundant in the text-- I mean, even just in the lead to the article hard rock is mentioned several times!! Perhaps we can agree to mention the other genres of music they played? Like, "Dancing in the Moonlight", (which is one of those memorable radio-friendly songs-- though both Robertson and Gorham felt it was a bit to "poppy". And "Emerald" has that hard edged Irish feel to it, with Downey's great drum work. What do you all think? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 00:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree, although due to my unabiding hatred of pigeon-holing music within genres, I did not really explore that area when I rewrote the article. Plus I left the lead paragraph as it was, more or less. "Still in Love With You" isn't a blues, but they did play the occasional blues-based song, along with pop-rock and the celtic stuff, particularly with Eric Bell. Feel free to change anything, and we'll see what happens :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Look at the Bottom of the Page[edit]

And you will see this...

Thin Lizzy

Ricky Warwick • Scott Gorham • Vivian Campbell • Marco Mendoza • Darren Wharton • Brian Downey

And on the the second line, Phil Lynott. On the second line. Is there a nerd attempting to make a point here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.233.215 (talk) 01:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Bold type indicates the current line-up. Lynott is not in the current line-up. Hope this helps. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit]

At the moment, the article doesn't suggest how Thin is pronounced. I think I've heard it pronounced both with & without the 'h' being sounded. Which is correct, and what is the origin &/or meaning of the name? Trafford09 (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

There isn't really a correct way to pronounce it. Most English-speaking people would pronounce the 'h', but Irish people would be much more likely not to do so. I've heard Lynott say it both ways, and I would guess he didn't mind either way. There's a section in the article about how the band got its name, and it was indeed partially aimed at creating the type of confusion you're talking about, so as to attract attention. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see now - in Thin_Lizzy#Origin_of_the_band_name - I'd managed to miss that (should have gone to Specsavers!). Thanks, Trafford09 (talk) 17:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Intro image[edit]

Isn't it better to have a picture from the classic Lynott period than a modern-day image? The post-1996 images are fine but better down the article. Evlekis (Евлекис) 18:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

My 'Mistake' HERE[edit]

Thin Lizzy's VHS Tape "DEDICATED" [originally distributed by Polygram.]

Has been available - for over 20 years [now].

Polygram was a Canadian "Audio/Video Consortium"

They started as a 'reseller' of vinyl records, [of everything that the record industry discarded]

I have bought many Great Albums - from their stores.

Buying David Bowie's "Changes" has got to be one of the most 'notable' album purchases - that I have ever made !!!

Just A Thought.

< ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.52.112 (talk) 09:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Navigation box oddity[edit]

In the navigation box of links right at the bottom of the article it looks very odd to have Phil Lynott relegated to the non-bold second row of names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.76.154 (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Bold type is for current members. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
In fact, I understand that. However, it still looks wrong that his name should not be first / most prominent. 86.160.216.197 (talk) 03:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC).

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Thin Lizzy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found

Linkrot: found and fixed six.[1] Jezhotwells (talk) 20:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    Reasonably well written, a few stray sentences and short paragraphs need consolidation
    I've addressed a few of these - any others that stick out? Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
    No that's fine now. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    Some long outstanding citation needed tags
    Encyclopaedia Metallum is a type of wiki therefore not a WP:RS.
    Likewise BlabbermouthNet
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source
    Cites to newspapers or magazine articles need author, publication date and publisher at the very least.
I've addressed the citation needed tags, changed the Encyclopedia Metallum and Blabbermouth refs and I've no idea how the link to Wikipedia got in there... changed that too. Any other pointers on this? Some of these refs aren't mine so I'm not familiar with them - if you can clarify any individual problems, I'd be grateful. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
  1. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Broad, no unnecessary detail
  2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    NPOV
  3. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  4. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Images licensed and captioned.
  5. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    On hold for seven days for above issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
    All OK now, an interesting article. I am happy to list this as a GA. Congratulations! Jezhotwells (talk) 00:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
    Thanks very much! Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Myth of the Last Gig[edit]

This article is helpingsustaining the internet legend that Reading Monsters of Rock 1983 was Thin Lizzy's last gig. It wasn't. As stated here BBC Radio One Live in Concert (Thin Lizzy album) they played several gigs afterwards. What would have been the last UK gig was a contractual obligation gig at Gloucester Leisure Centre to make up for a tour date cancellation, moved from 4 March to 4 May. I know because I we was at both the Reading and Gloucester gigs (almost makes up for missing Zeppelin at Knebworth) and the false last gig at Gloucester was the more emotional experience. The Yowser (talk) 09:31, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

You're right that the Gloucester gig on 4 March was postponed and eventually happened on 4 May. It was one of two or three gigs they played after the Swedish leg of the European tour. They played Ipswich on 3 May, then the rescheduled Gloucester gig on 4 May, and there may have been one other UK gig in early May, but I've never been able to find out what it was. Then came the five gigs on the Japanese leg of the tour which started on 17 May. After that Lynott, Downey and Sykes went off to do the Three Musketeers tour in Sweden in July and early August. After that, they returned to England for the Reading Festival, which was (no doubt about it) Sunday 28 August. They couldn't have played several gigs in the UK after Reading, because they played Dortmund on 2 September, part of the Monsters of Rock tour. Then they did Kaiserslautern on 3 September, and Nuremberg on 4 September. That was it. The Reading festival gig was definitely after the rescheduled Gloucester date. The BBC Radio One Live in Concert article appears to be wrong. Let me know if you can remember anything about the dates of the gigs you saw. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Previous members[edit]

Because the existence of Lizzy is in two phases - the classic era with Phil Lynott and the post-1996 reform which celebrates the classic period, it may be a good idea to separate the previous members in the infobox. This way we keep Campbell and Fortus in one section and Eric Bell and Brian Robertson in the other. I feel this offers more information as today's newer members are detached from Phil Lynott, in his own life he won't have known these people unlike those who originally reformed the group. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 07:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not ultra-keen on that idea - technically it's the same band, and to separate the members might be misleading to some. There'd also be the problem of which section to put Sykes in. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Sykes, like Gorham and Downey, belongs to the first (proposed) section for having performed with Phil Lynott. I do see what you mean about the confusion though, and yes it's the same band, evident continuity despite the hiatus. I'll be honest with you (as I know you know this band very well). Snowy White normally gets the stick for not having belonged yet in my eyes, it is very unfair, his contribution was great; the Rockpalast 1981 show was also good. It was just his style to be more focused on playing and less energetic on stage than the other members, that along with his personal taste which wasn't quite so hard rock. As for Lizzy showing signs of weakening with the Renegade album, you know that there were two issues: first, the band was moving into the 80s and had to experiment in some sense; second, Lynott was the main songwriter and most influential member and I doubt Snowy White led them to this low point (thankfully, Thunder & Lightning plus the tour sent them out in a blaze of glory). It's just that when I look at the new list, there's now people who not only were not acquainted with Phil Lynott but whose contributions I question. Ricky Fortus is definitely not cut out to perform with the band. Guns'n'Roses is one thing, but Hip Hop performer Rihanna?? It reminds me of a schoolboy philosophy "us and them" and this accolade relegates him to the "them" division! By the way, I have watched the band with him. I was at Swindon's MECA in June 2011 where I have to say he was the weakest link (messed a few notes, etc.), but then, this band can keep going and continuously recruit younger musicians and I feel that those detached from the pre-1983 era need to be marked out so it must never be thought by the non-cognoscenti, "ah, I know him, he was with such and such, so he played with Lizzy next to Phil!! Great!!". How would you feel about keeping the section but presenting the new post-1996 members in italics? Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 17:39, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
White did get a bit of stick at the time for not being "Lizzy enough", but I agree with you, that was harsh. Lynott brought him in with a view to expanding the group's horizons a bit; trying blues-based stuff and other experiments. This wasn't really carried through, and White found himself trotting out (albeit decent) hard rock that he wasn't particularly interested in, as Lynott changed his mind again and went towards the heavier stuff. In my experience, younger fans (teenagers and 20-somethings) rate Renegade very highly and don't blame White for any downturn in quality. Songs like "Renegade" are much appreciated, and White's blues turn on the overlooked B-side "Memory Pain" deserved greater exposure. There were poor decisions made with regard to Phil's solo albums, where songs like "Fats" belonged. A good song, but hardened Lizzoids didn't think it belonged on a Lizzy album. Phil's lyrics could tend towards the banal during this period, which didn't help either. I'm sure White saw where the band was heading, and the pyrotechnic Sykes was perfect for Thunder and Lightning, an album on which you wonder where White would have fitted in. I didn't see the band with Fortus, but by all accounts (now including yours) I didn't miss much. I've seen them twice with Damon Johnson and he is a cut above Campbell and miles above Fortus. I said as much to Gorham after one show and he agreed, without wanting to disrespect those two players. He also said that the whole idea was to have Johnson in the band permanently, and he was "totally sick of the revolving door on my right-hand side". I told Johnson that he was a better fit than Campbell or Fortus and he said that "fitting in" was what he was working on most, trying to interplay with Gorham rather than trying to blow him offstage. Ricky Warwick is incredibly sensitive about not being seen as Phil's replacement; he is even reluctant to sign anything that has Phil's picture on it. They're very aware of how some people see the new line-up, but all of them have intimated to me that they still see Phil as a member of the band, and that any decisions made are still made with a consideration as to what Phil might have thought. I'm OK with italics for Aldridge, Lee, Di Cosmo, Gregg, Campbell and Fortus. Go ahead and do it, and let's see if anyone says anything about it, and if so, we can discuss it again :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Well well well!! I knew you knew the band but did not know that you are acquainted with the members! You're too good for Wikipedia as this site is supposed to be for the nitwits like the rest of us! :) My intention is never to be harsh, the Snowy White era was a twist of fate and Memory Pain is an excellent track, though I'm most familiar with the Rockpalast version - I think it's a Johny Winter original but to me, that song produces a real vibe. If White were ever invited to rejoin the band or if he were interested, I for one would welcome the appointment and it's nice to know that a branch of the younger fans (of the time) would agree. Getting back to Fortus, he is a session guitarist and he is indeed able to cope with various types of music. For me it is the heartbreak of seeing someone associated with commercial radio pop as a member of this band. How is a Lizzoid supposed to feel when finding out that the latest band member has done work touring with Take That?! All right, Lizzy appeared on TOTP, Lynott later on Razzmatazz and even on the TVAM couch; but commercial entertainment now has taken a radical turn. Many young bands exist who cite Lizzy and the classic rock bands as influences and attempt to emulate them and these include the support acts I saw for Lizzy but all this colluding between commercial radio stations, high profile "talent show" judges (you know who) and the record companies mean that the face of the music world is contrived to keep these "safe", non-experimental, creativity aborting, unimaginative, Radio 1 closets in the spotlight with this compliance culture, and that as you know excludes these genuine bands from the publicity they deserve. But then, Scott Gorham is grown-up now and doesn't need youngsters teaching him how to steal sheep!! If he wants agents of the popworld in his group, that is fine. I'll still watch them, Mendoza is brilliant and Gorham, Wharton and Downey are classic era members producing four certified Lizzy characters. Who sings and who helps on guitar is another matter. I missed Campbell, Johnson and the host of others you cited so I cannot comment but I did hear Campbell never got the praise he deserved; mind you, one Lizzy fan told me this, how you feel is your choice! That same friend of mine is anti-Snowy White whereas you see, I'm not. It's nice to know Warwick knows where he stands I really felt at the Swindon gig that he realised his position; he paid homage to Phil wherever he could and it was obvious he had no intention of ousting him. I doubt the core members would allow such a person to join the band but then who in his right mind would wish to do something like that. When Brian Johnson joined AC/DC, he knew it was an absolute privilege stepping into Bon Scott's boots but the difference there was, this was a relatively young modern band who still had much more to do and so there was only one way forward. The Lizzy boys have all made records on other projects but everyone must realise that continued use of Thin Lizzy can only be a tribute to Phil Lynott. If Skyes, Downey, Gorham, Wharton and others wish to make new music together, they are welcome; if fans want them to play Lizzy, again it is welcome, but as long as there is new music, they should avoid the Thin Lizzy working title, and the associated effects such as the great stage lights forming the letters of the band name. You get the point. Anyhow, thanks for supporting the idea of italics. I just need to point out that a footnote will need to be added to the bottom of the list to explain why some are in italics and others not. Atleast it will stop "helpful" editors standardising the list by adding italics to all or removing the detail. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 00:16, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Hahah, not too good for Wikipedia at all - I try hard to achieve a balance with this article, and include the bad with the good. It would be easy for me to paint a very rosy picture of Thin Lizzy, and there are elements of the band's history included in the article which the band would prefer to forget - I haven't actually told any member of the band that I wrote most of this article, and edit it regularly. I wouldn't want them to ask me to take something out or change anything! Yes, Johnny Winter's version of "Memory Pain" is probably the best-known, but it was originally a blues by Percy Mayfield. I'm not terribly keen on Mayfield's version, but it's a great song. I agree about Fortus - he can adapt himself to basically any type of music and do a competent job - but I think he lacked the true grit and energy required for a band like Thin Lizzy. Some of the acts he's worked with are horribly commercial and shallow, and for him to show up in Lizzy was a bit of a wrong turning for the band. I don't think anyone expected him to be permanent, but still. Sure, Phil always kept his eye on pop music and the sharp end of commercial entertainment, but I doubt he'd have ever been happy with the talent-show TV nightmares that we see today and the falseness of the teen-worship of hopelessly untalented acts that fill our charts. In Phil's day, there were clear links between rock 'n' roll and commercial pop, and bands like Wild Horses played a role in between. But now there's a million miles between serious musicians and the TV-pop world, and you can't try to bridge that gap and stay credible. Queen are going to find that out when they have that talent-show reject Adam Lambert front the band - I don't care what he sounds like, it's just a bad joke. For Thin Lizzy, replacing Fortus with a very serious rock musician in Damon Johnson was an important move. Between Lizzy tours, Johnson tours the US in a station wagon, doing Brother Cane gigs - no moonlighting with pop stars. Mendoza is a vital part of the band, great onstage, and a really nice guy. I missed Campbell too, some say he was great, others not so much. Johnson seems to get a better press. Yes, Warwick certainly does know his place, and he is anxious to tell people that he knows his place. He knows that if he openly tried to replace Phil, or copy him at all, the band would suffer badly. Brian Downey told me that Warwick was the only guy they considered as a frontman, not just because of his singing or his stage presence, but because of his personality and his attitude towards Phil. Downey considered that attitude to be much more important. The comparison with AC/DC is a good one - the band members were young and still had a point to prove - they had to carry on. With Thin Lizzy, they knew they were going to be accused of cashing in, or trashing Phil's legacy. They all understand that some people don't like the idea of Thin Lizzy continuing - Darren Wharton has told me a couple of times that it's impossible to please everyone and some people don't want Thin Lizzy to exist without Phil. But they made the decision to carry on anyway, believing that Phil would have been OK with it. The question of new material is another hurdle entirely: they are writing new material, but they are not sure exactly what to do with it. The feeling I get is that they will write and rehearse it, and see how they feel. There is a possibility it will be released as Thin Lizzy, but maybe not. I wouldn't have a major problem with it, especially if it's good quality - I can cope with separating two versions of a band with the same name. Lots of other people, like you, do not like the idea at all. They are aware of that, for sure. But it's very hard to tell Downey, an original member, the guy who co-wrote "Cowboy Song", "Emerald" etc etc, that he can't do new songs with his own band, the band he formed with Phil and Eric Bell over 40 years ago. Phil would be the first to say that without Downey and Gorham, Thin Lizzy would not have made it in the 70s, so in a way I have to trust them to do what they think is right. Time will tell! Yes, I agree about the footnote in the infobox to clarify what we're doing - someone will try to change it if it's not clear. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Black Star Riders[edit]

As of December 2012, the final lineup of Thin Lizzy decided to continue under a different name: Black Star Riders. See http://blackstarriders.com/?p=579 . Apparently they didn't think it was right to record new material without Phil. Anyway, what would be the best way to go about updating this page (and the members page) to reflect this? Mostly small changes (are -> were, etc) I guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.191.176.33 (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It's pretty much covered in the article, down in the "Thin Lizzy without Lynott (1996–present)" section. Thin Lizzy are not dead and buried though, and will surface occasionally to do odd shows here and there. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)