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Pronunciation[edit]

There isn't a 4.5 and official word from WotC is that there will not ever be a 4.5 edition, so calling 4th-edition 4.0 comes across as petty trolling. Don't do it.

How do you pronounce this? I've heard "TEE'-fling" and I've heard "TY'-fling."

In Planescape: Torment, the word is always pronounced "TEE-fling", and I've never seen any official material pronounce it otherwise.
Sorry, TEE-fling sounds horrible. I would only go for TY'fling. --Calidore Chase 12:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The word seems Germanic and would thus be pronounced TEE-Fling. --Infosocialist 09:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I've only ever heard it pronounced TY'fling. --Ebyabe 14:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Planescape: Torment made it clear that it's TEE-fling, though I've always heard it more like TEEF-ling in the game. Anonymous
It has been explained to me as a German word and I still use TY-Fling. Expecting an english speaking audience to know a German pronunciation rule, especially when the rest of the pronunciations are fairly obvious is a bit much. That, and "TEEF-ling" sounds like babytalk to me. -- Bear Eagleson
It might be German in origin, but remember it was derived from a German word. It is obviously it's own word, as created by Baur, so its pronunciation could be different. Torment made it pretty clear how the word is pronounced. The way the Planescape Setting portrayed tieflings was that of devious, conniving beings. I always liked to think that it was really a corruption of "Thief-ling", and have thus pronunced it TEEF-ling. To each his own though. "TEEF-ling" sounds no more babyish than "TY-fling".-- Vinlund (talk) 21:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
During all of the press videos for the launch of 4e use the TEEF-ling pronunciation, the argument is now moot. 4th-edition tieflings are TEEF-lings.

the first paragraf is written terribly and needs to be rewritten. 81.214.36.116 (talk) 15:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

the person who added the ranting about 4th edition, had better done it in a separate section. the introductory paragraf had been messed up terribly and incomprehensible. 81.214.36.116 (talk) 15:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Tieflings and Half-Fiends[edit]

Does anyone know if a Half-Fiend counts as a Tiefling or not? I know a Tiefling can be further down the descent than a half-fiend can, but I was wondering if a half-fiend might count as one themselves? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.191.54 (talk) 03:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

In the original Planescape boxed set, a Tiefling was described as half human, half something (assumedly lower planar) else. While it is suggested there are tieflings who may be half bloods, the Planewalker's Handbook suggests most of them a quarter or less fiendish. -- Bear Eagleson

Non-notable?... surely you jest[edit]

Given that this is a main player race in D&D 4th edition, the most extensive and one of the most played roleplaying system developed by man. There really doesn't seem to be much justification for the non-notable tag. If no one objects after a few days, I or whoever reads this should remove the tag. If you want to debate, please feel free to contact me, I won't make any moves if there is objection.M4bwav (talk) 22:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


deep, not devil[edit]

"Baur derived the name from teufel, or "Devil" in German. The direct translation of tiefling, however, would be "deepling," since tief means "deep." A closer derivation from teufel would be teufling."

This is unsourced and seems wrong. Probably he intentionally chose tief because of its meanings of deep, lower (planes), nether(world), under(world). I doubt it was a misspelling of Teufel!--206.248.172.247 (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentionally meant to invoke both words. --86.135.176.189 (talk) 20:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

4e centric[edit]

This article has become very 4e centric. While I recognize it reflects the current version of thieflings, they have a long history in FR and especially Planescape where they were significant diffrent, so a little more room should be reserved to describing how they were pre-4e. Huyderman (talk) 08:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I probably need to do something similar to what I did with Eladrin. BOZ (talk) 14:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
And so I have!  :) BOZ (talk) 13:51, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

As I see it, the entire fictional history section is 4e-centric. It also appears to be the sole reason for the in-universe tag, as the rest of the article cites specific products and publications. I think that this section should be summarized and added to the 4e section, if not removed entirely. Would someone who is more familiar with 4e tiefling products care to take a stab that? - Sangrolu (talk) 12:23, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Agreed; we should strike a balance between each version of the creature. As far as a fictional history as a race, I don't know if there was much of a coherent history before 4th edition, just kind of "yeah, they're decended from fiends." So, if that is correct, there should be more such background info regarding 4E than other editions, but we're not talking a few paragraphs worth as much as a few sentences. The best way to do it, as I see it, would be to have a paragraph or section saying "In 2E/Planescape, they were presented this way, in 3E they were presented this way, and in 4E they have been presented this way." That would keep things in perspective, and reduce the amount of in-universe text. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 14:24, 21 April 2011 (UTC)