Talk:Tifinagh

Pronunciation of "tifinagh"

Can one of you gents please stop criticizing the other just long enough to post the pronunciation for the word "tifinagh"?

Thanks!

In IPA it would be rendered [tifinax]. — mark ✎ 21:06, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Um, don't you mean [tifinaʁ] or maybe [tifinaɣ]? Or am I forgetting some Tuareg phonological rule? - Mustafaa 22:44, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, you may be right — I might be taking into account some Dutch phonological rule :P. I was merely IPA'ing Maarten Kossmann's usual pronunciation of the word. — mark ✎ 19:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[tifinaʁ] is correct. Berber scholars and transliterators commonly use gamma "γ" for the voiced uvular fricative. --Thnidu (talk) 04:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Isn't the transcription broad (phonemic) and shouldn't it therefore be between slashes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No, because a phonemic transcription is meaningful only within the phonology of a particular language or dialect; "broad" ≠ "phonemic". See Phonetic transcription, especially Narrow versus broad transcription.

"Phonology is viewed as the subfield of linguistics that deals with the sound systems of languages. It should be carefully distinguished from phonetics. Whereas phonetics concerns the physical production, acoustic transmission and perception of the sounds of speech,[1][3] phonology describes the way sounds function within a given language or across languages to encode meaning." -- Phonology#Phonology_vs_phonetics

We have a relevant example just above in the interchange between Mustafaa and mark: mark inappropriately applied a final-devoicing rule from Dutch phonology to a Berber pronunciation, where that rule does not apply.

One purpose of phonetic transcription is to convey a pronunciation in one language to speakers of other languages, who are not familiar with the phonology of the source language. That, I take it, is the purpose of providing these pronunciations. --Thnidu (talk) 01:25, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

translation please....

|, |, then 3 dots one below the other, Ο, then 2 dots one below the other, again, 2 dots one below the other, OR is it 4 dots in a square?, a circle like Ο with a dot in the center.

I've been told it means: Nothing but the truth or something akin.

Thank you 66.177.206.71 18:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Unicode font???

how do i activate tifinag unicode font for windows??? --82.101.190.162 16:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)--82.101.190.162 16:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, you have to install a font that supports the Tifinagh range. This list is from a report I'm currently writing:

• DejaVu (recommended)
• Code2000
• Hapax Berbère
• MPH 2B Damase
• (Fixedsys Excelsior: not recommended because ornamental and difficult to read)

--Thnidu (talk) 04:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

majority

Do you have poll data indicating that a majority of Amazigh activists support Latin? And why is the use of Latin relevant here, in an article on Tifinagh (not on Berber writing systems in general), anyway?

For good examples of the use of Arabic script by Amazigh activists, check out the excellent http://www.tawalt.com . There are quite a few Moroccan Tamazight books published in Arabic, including a translation of the Qur'an (almost entirely devoid of Arabic words), poetry, and short stories. Dismissing it as "supported by Arab nationalists" is simply not accurate. - Mustafaa 22:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Selected opinions and avoiding other ones

About the origin of the Tifinagh, the scholars would suggest many opinions. however, the article referred to a one opionion considering it a descendant of a Phoenician script, and given an interpretation of the name (tifinagh) as an undesputed or widely accepted interpretation, while the other opinions were reffered to a french speaking articles followed by a embedded HTML comment asking for not repeating the discussion on the page. [1] and [2]. >No need to repeat that discussion here< Ehhmmm some are authorized by a supernatural power to select the right opionion behind their PC's. I ask god to give me such blessings! Please God.Read3r 18:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Berber Scouting

Can someone render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Tifinagh? Thanks! Chris 17:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

See reply. --Thnidu (talk) 04:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Broken link

Does somebody know of a working copy for reference 5 (prohibited to use in Libya)? smurfix (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

MPH 2B Damase

This font works for nothing. It affects the GulimChe font I installed for Korean and will turn the Korean font into squares. If I de-install it, the Korean script comes back and reads just fine. Any other font?Kanzler31 (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Direction of script in Neo-Tifnagh

Should it not be essential in an entry on a script to state which direction it is written in? We read about old Tifnagh, but you have to cross reference the symbols on the picture of the town name to work this out for Neo-Tifnagh! - 13:46, 2 February 2011 68.226.139.158

Left to right. Answer added in Tifinagh#Neo-Tifinagh. --Thnidu (talk) 01:32, 18 September 2011 (UTC)